To those who don't believe AGW is real

[sasguru]

Religion

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-herring.html

[shaunbhoy]

One too many last night?
If you really are interested , there are plenty of links on this thread to enlighten you. Like you said try to look at the science and judge it on its merits.

Still awaiting an explanation on why global temperatures have not risen for the decade in which carbon emissions have been at their peak. Unsurprisingly you are still hiding behind the old "long term trends" excuse when in actual fact this latest period of alleged enhanced man-made warming has only been occurring for a few decades, so one can hardly discard a 10-year period and expect to be taken seriously. I will point out again that I am not in favour of wantonly burning fossil fuels, nor do I disagree that the climate is quite possibly changing, but what I do have reservations about is the contention that man is having a hugely disproportionate effect on this when the main argument that incriminates man, that of carbon emissions, has palpably not pushed the temperature up one jota in the last 10 years when these offending emissions have gone off the scale if one believes some of the zealots.,
Come on man, explain this huge anomaly or put a sock in it.

[DimPrawn]

Still awaiting an explanation on why global temperatures have not risen for the decade in which carbon emissions have been at their peak. Unsurprisingly you are still hiding behind the old "long term trends" excuse when in actual fact this latest period of alleged enhanced man-made warming has only been occurring for a few decades, so one can hardly discard a 10-year period and expect to be taken seriously. I will point out again that I am not in favour of wantonly burning fossil fuels, nor do I disagree that the climate is quite possibly changing, but what I do have reservations about is the contention that man is having a hugely disproportionate effect on this when the main argument that incriminates man, that of carbon emissions, has palpably not pushed the temperature up one jota in the last 10 years when these offending emissions have gone off the scale if one believes some of the zealots.,
Come on man, explain this huge anomaly or put a sock in it.

SB the science is too complex to explain. Just go on faith and cough up on the Carbon taxes. Amem, praise the Lord.

[sasguru]

Still awaiting an explanation on why global temperatures have not risen for the decade in which carbon emissions have been at their peak. Unsurprisingly you are still hiding behind the old "long term trends" excuse when in actual fact this latest period of alleged enhanced man-made warming has only been occurring for a few decades, so one can hardly discard a 10-year period and expect to be taken seriously. I will point out again that I am not in favour of wantonly burning fossil fuels, nor do I disagree that the climate is quite possibly changing, but what I do have reservations about is the contention that man is having a hugely disproportionate effect on this when the main argument that incriminates man, that of carbon emissions, has palpably not pushed the temperature up one jota in the last 10 years when these offending emissions have gone off the scale if one believes some of the zealots.,
Come on man, explain this huge anomaly or put a sock in it.

I know DimBynature repeated that claim ad nauseaum. Doesn't mean it's true. It's his "debating" style: if you have no facts to support your argument just keep screaming the same bollux over and over. A bit like Hitler.

The facts show otherwise.

Essentially the data matches the IPCC forecast. Read the links here:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...w-real-22.html

[sasguru]

For those with some statistical training (which I think is essential to understand this argument) here is another link:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles/

[DimPrawn]

For those with some statistical training (which I think is essential to understand this argument) here is another link:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/12/16/wiggles/

Ah, now I understand. By generating random data and noise we can show that it is just noise that the last 10 years show no increase in warming.

It's amazing what you can prove with some random data to fit the argument you want to prove.

I'm guessing with the right random noise we can have no effect forever. Sorted.

[sasguru]

Ah, now I understand. By generating random data and noise we can show that it is just noise that the last 10 years show no increase in warming.

It's amazing what you can prove with some random data to fit the argument you want to prove.

I'm guessing with the right random noise we can have no effect forever. Sorted.

No you don't. I think that's the problem.

[DimPrawn]

No you don't. I think that's the problem.

You're right, I can't understand how we can go from "The world is going to end next year if you don't ban fossil fuels, we must all act now or die" to, "There will be no measurable effect for a million years, but we must still ban fossil fuels now."

I'll shut up and pay up like the rest of you guys.

[shaunbhoy]

The facts show otherwise.

Essentially the data matches the IPCC forecast. Read the links here:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...w-real-22.html

The problem I have is with claims such as "This becomes immediately clear when looking at the following graph", after which a graph is displayed which looks like a retard's doodling is that it does not actually answer my questions. 40 years ago we had endless experts telling us that we were heading for an Ice Age. It never materialised. A few short decades later we have more experts telling us that we are suffering from a greenhouse effect due to ozone depletion and that temperatures are set to soar. Yet in reality temperatures have not soared, but have continued with pretty much the same gentle rise that we might expect as we slowly emerge from a period of "Ice Age" Essentially, many of these scientists blame these changes on human behaviour, and when the consequences of that behaviour provide evidence that it is not in fact a primary driver of the problem, it is simply written off as a short-term blip. So Global Warming then gets changed to Climate Change yet still the experts continue with their pleas for additional funding, and the Governments endorse these requests by piling extra taxes on the public and doing their best to make them feel guilty about their fossil-burning profligacy whilst obstinately refusing to ringfence this extra revenue for alternative power sources. Why don't the Government simply say to the Public "If you want summers like this for the rest of your days then just carry on guzzling Oil etc." That might just achieve something.

[ThomasSoerensen]

Would the proper time span not be from the planets formation?

Since then, I believe the general trend is cooling.