Now Legal to kill & Maim Burglars

[Xenophon]

I always thought that was because they work such crazy hours and get no holidays (as they are always telling us) they are never in.

No answer to my question I see, so let's try another. I see a bloke driving like a loon in a BMW, overtaking on blind bends etc. Am I within my rights to ram him off the road to stop his uncivilised and illegal behaviour?

What question? You referred to some Prime Ministerial thread - not seen it. Why you asking me?

Now you're asking a road rage question. This is the umpteenth time you have tried to twist something to bolster your argument. You've been pulled up for twisting once already in this thread by someone else. Consider yourself pulled up again.

As I have written already: If someone breaks in then yes - they are fair game to be shot.

Don't talk to me about PM questions or road rage. Stop twisting.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

You have no idea what that man had endured, TLG. Should he have done that? Course not. Was it understandable that he ended up doing it? To me - yes - wholly and completely and without any doubt. I totally see why he did it.

I can (almost) see why he ended up as he did (I can't say I wouldn't have done the same in his shoes although I hope not) - but I find the earlier stuff involving him shooting at his brother a bit of worry. It would be one thing if it was an isolated incident, but he had history, and not apparently just with scumbag theives.

Remember that people like me seem to be in a minority and then consider Martin was convicted by a jury of his peers.

I can see why he did it - I just think he was wrong to do it.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

What question? You referred to some Prime Ministerial thread - not seen it. Why you asking me?

Now you're asking a road rage question. This is the umpteenth time you have tried to twist something to bolster your argument. You've been pulled up for twisting once already in this thread by someone else. Consider yourself pulled up again.

As I have written already: If someone breaks in then yes - they are fair game to be shot.

Don't talk to me about PM questions or road rage. Stop twisting.

I am so sorry for not arguing according to your strict rules. Perhaps you could post the full set so I don't have to endure being "pulled up" any more My question was about whether it's OK under your authorised murder policy to kill people outside the house, or does it only apply inside the house?

[The Lone Gunman]

You have no idea what that man had endured, TLG. Should he have done that? Course not. Was it understandable that he ended up doing it? To me - yes - wholly and completely and without any doubt. I totally see why he did it.

I think Tony Martins case is well documented. I cant remember the exact details, but he had been burgled almost once a week for a year or similar.
He had clearly been let down by the police and the legal system. BUT that is no excuse.
If he had shot said burglar on the stairs or in the bedroom then he might have had a case, but that is not what happened is it.
He fortified all but one of his windows making the next burglars point of entry known. He created what was effectively a shooting gallery from that window and he wired an alarm to inform him when a burglar had entered that window.
The law requires you to feel that your life is under threat before using lethal force and the situation TM created meant that his life could never have been under threat unless the burglar sealed him in and set fire to the house.
This was cold blooded murder. I have no sympathy for this man.

[chicane]

This was cold blooded murder. I have no sympathy for this man.

Putting aside the prospect of weekly break-ins for the foreseeable future, what do you think were the alternative options available to the man? What would have been an acceptable course of action?

[TimberWolf]

Putting aside the prospect of weekly break-ins for the foreseeable future, what do you think were the alternative options available to the man? What would have been an acceptable course of action?

Anything but what he actually did?

[Diver]

For all the talk of killing, how many of you could go that extra mile and pull the trigger on somebody in cold blood.
In a firefight, the heat of battle, you have no time to think, you just do it.
When you look into a man's eyes with your finger on the trigger or the knife in your hand, it is totally different.

Usually only a mindless Idiot, a psychologically damaged/stressed person or a well trained man can act under those circumstances, and it is not without cost.
When you take a life in those circumstances there is a price to pay, a price that you will pay for the rest of your life.
You will relive the act a thousand times, you will see the faces as clear as the day; for the rest of your life.

Trust me on this

[BrilloPad]

I think Tony Martins case is well documented. I cant remember the exact details, but he had been burgled almost once a week for a year or similar.
He had clearly been let down by the police and the legal system. BUT that is no excuse.
If he had shot said burglar on the stairs or in the bedroom then he might have had a case, but that is not what happened is it.
He fortified all but one of his windows making the next burglars point of entry known. He created what was effectively a shooting gallery from that window and he wired an alarm to inform him when a burglar had entered that window.
The law requires you to feel that your life is under threat before using lethal force and the situation TM created meant that his life could never have been under threat unless the burglar sealed him in and set fire to the house.
This was cold blooded murder. I have no sympathy for this man.

I think he should have patented it and have it installed at every house in the country! Burglary reduced to zero at a stroke!



Dont vote DimPraawn for prime minister - vote BrilloPad!

[The Lone Gunman]

Putting aside the prospect of weekly break-ins for the foreseeable future, what do you think were the alternative options available to the man? What would have been an acceptable course of action?

He could have secured the only bloody window he left unsecure. He could have taken photos of the intruders and given them to the police.
He could have not secured his building in the way he did and shot them anyway.

It is not his shooting of this scrote I object to, I believe we all have a right to protect our property and family.

It is the fact that he went to such lengths to make sure he could shoot them without them being able to get into his house outside the confines of the trap he built. He shot them with an illegaly held weapon too.

I am a firm believer that we should all be allowed to have hand guns at home to be used to defend ourselves but there has to be a burden of proof on us that we were in fear for our lives (or those of our loved ones) before we take someone elses life.

[BrilloPad]

For all the talk of killing, how many of you could go that extra mile and pull the trigger on somebody in cold blood.
In a firefight, the heat of battle, you have no time to think, you just do it.
When you look into a man's eyes with your finger on the trigger or the knife in your hand, it is totally different.

Usually only a mindless Idiot, a psychologically damaged/stressed person or a well trained man can act under those circumstances, and it is not without cost.
When you take a life in those circumstances there is a price to pay, a price that you will pay for the rest of your life.
You will relive the act a thousand times, you will see the faces as clear as the day; for the rest of your life.

Trust me on this

Yet another reason Tony Martin should get a medal - for doing something that takes guts!