Global Cooling

[Bagpuss]

I have three science degrees and spent several years working at a research lab, not all of us went through the College-Computing Science-Contracting route.

Of course it's far easier to poke fun at the messenger than argue the logic of the message....

Well done, I have friends who work in research labs, they aren't however experts on climate change. You of all people should realise, one badly written journalistic piece does not match a body of evidence. As soon as there is a body of alternative opinion presented by credible people and those not funded by the oil industry I'll start to take it more seriously.

[TheBigYinJames]

You of all people should realise, one badly written journalistic piece does not match a body of evidence. As soon as there is a body of alternative opinion presented by credible people and those not funded by the oil industry I'll start to take it more seriously.

I don't believe journos any more than I believe Govt sponsored scientists. I don't think the case is proven. I'm quite happy to take precautionary measures in the meantime.

[Marina]

What I find amusing is that "man" is trying to understand a process that occurs over 1000s of years with data from 200 years (ish).

You can make almost any theory fit the data if you pick and choose what you look at. We'll need to be around a lot longer before it's properly understood.

Not so. You can get accurate climate records, going back hundreds of thousands of years, in all kinds of ways - Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, even moon rock (to study how solar flux has changed over time).

[sasguru]

I don't believe journos any more than I believe Govt sponsored scientists. I don't think the case is proven. I'm quite happy to take precautionary measures in the meantime.

As someone with 3 degrees, you of all people should know that science cannot really "prove" anything. Hypotheses are formulated, in this case "man's actions are causing global warming" and the balance of evidence for and against is examined. Currently, if you ignore the shrill hysteria on both sides, I believe the evidence supports this hypothesis.

[Bagpuss]

I don't believe journos any more than I believe Govt sponsored scientists. I don't think the case is proven. I'm quite happy to take precautionary measures in the meantime.

Then you are probably not that different in opinion to myself. From what I understand in simple terms, climate change is happening, we don't know if it is exacerbated by man, but it probably is.

I don't dispute, Governments are using the issue to sell taxes, and are claiming man is to blame, and trying to marginalize those who don't believe (or have an open mind). Which is just as bad as those who are convinced it is not happening. Science is about keeping an open mind and keeping emotions and politics out of conclusions. The government can't do it, and some here are the same.

[TimberWolf]

Not so. You can get accurate climate records, going back hundreds of thousands of years, in all kinds of ways - Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, even moon rock (to study how solar flux has changed over time).

And from Beetles.

[sasguru]

Then you are probably not that different in opinion to myself. From what I understand in simple terms, climate change is happening, we don't know if it is exacerbated by man, but it probably is.

I don't dispute, Governments are using the issue to sell taxes, and are claiming man is to blame, and trying to marginalize those who don't believe (or have an open mind). Which is just as bad as those who are convinced it is not happening. Science is about keeping an open mind and keeping emotions and politics out of conclusions. The government can't do it, and some here are the same.

It was much more fun cyber fighting with you

[Bagpuss]

It was much more fun cyber fighting with you

I'm not quite so bored these days, I'll let you know when work cools down


PS You could always start with a Churchilesque "You don't know fook all about nowt".
(which is probably why I fit in so well)

[TheBigYinJames]

And from Beetles.

What does Paul McCartney know about it?

[TimberWolf]

And from Beetles.

Just to elaborate more on that :

Late-glacial and early Holocene climatic conditions have been reconstructed for northern Europe using the mutual climatic range (MCR) palaeoclimate method based on fossil coleopteran assemblages. Altogether, beetle faunas from 77 sites have been analysed ranging from Ireland in the west to Poland and Finland in the east, and MCR estimates calculated.
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

QED