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It certianly started under that government (parking people on benefits that don't count in unemployment stats) but it's got worse and worse. To the extent where it is now seen as an acceptable way of life. Benefits are seen as earnings.Originally posted by TheBigYinJames View Post
IMHO the only solution is to take low paid incomes out of the tax system and maximise the benefits to say 50% of minimum wage i.e. enough to buy cheap food and not starve, but not enough for any kind of comfortable lifestyle. The gap between a working lifestyle and one not, would widen and hence working would become more attractive, may would move off benefits.The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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To all the Scots on the forum, I apologise, most sincerely!Originally posted by oracleslave View Post kiwiComment
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I saw that as well.
It isn't poverty though it is relative poverty... which mostly means inequality.
The people who were interviewed seemed to have a decent minimum standard of living - housing, enough money to eat well, access to education, access to health, they could have a family and know it would be provided for. So I can't see how they are in poverty.
But yeah it is relative poverty. I certainly wouldn't want to live where they do...
I have some sympathy with the guy who said working would cost him money. I don't think it would even on minimum wages with tax credits but it probably wouldn't be a whole lot more 20-30% say.
It must be hard to motivate himself to go and do some minimum wage job... but he has to get out there and do it... and short of removing all benefits... and with kids aroudn you hardly do that... then ... it is all rather depressing.Comment
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How much would the higher rate tax threshold have to come down to allow everybody on NMW (35 hour week) to not pay any income tax?"See, you think I give a tulip. Wrong. In fact, while you talk, I'm thinking; How can I give less of a tulip? That's why I look interested."Comment
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You lot have got too much time on your hands to worry about things you have no influence over.Comment
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Even so, what happened to self respect? Starting out at the bottom he could work his way into a better paid job. I'd rather work in a charity shop than sit at home feeling hard done by.Originally posted by DieScum View PostThe court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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I suppose the terrible thing is if you were to have some active programme to get the long term unemployed working it would cost more than just keeping them on benefits/on the sick.Comment
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Probably not at all given the saving of taking 2/3 of the 5 million off benefits?Originally posted by Moscow Mule View PostThe court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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