Fathers 4 Justice at it again

[BrilloPad]

You want to have a meeting with Harriet Harmon. Do you

a) Arrange a meeting through her constituency office
b) Knock on the door
c) Dress up like a couple of tw@ts and climb on the roof of her house

This assumes that HH told the truth. Which I doubt.

I take it you are not divorced?

[EternalOptimist]

Did you not notice - they did! Captain Conception and Cash Gordon...

Apparently they had to change the outfits because of the cunning Police strategy that foiled a recent protest. They brought round a take away then shouted up 'dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner BATMAN'





IGMC

[BrilloPad]

Apparently they had to change the outfits because of the cunning Police strategy that foiled a recent protest. They brought round a take away then shouted up 'dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner dinner BATMAN'





IGMC

During the tower bridge protest (which also involved Jolly) I did drive over tower bridge with fish and chips - stopped the car and attached them to a hook. the police were a tad suprised. though our attempt to get beer up later that day failed.

I still have piccies the chaps up there took - one of the lads hid the memory card about their person to get it through custody!

[HairyArsedBloke]

You want to have a meeting with Harriet Harmon. Do you

a) Arrange a meeting through her constituency office

Er, this is nuLieBore we are talking about. (Not that the other mob are any better)

If that sort of thing worked, there would be no need for 'alternative' ways to communicate with them.

[threaded]

You want to have a meeting with Harriet Harmon. Do you

a) Arrange a meeting through her constituency office
b) Knock on the door
c) Dress up like a couple of tw@ts and climb on the roof of her house

Apparently, if you bother to google, you can find there are LETTERS where she REFUSES to meet them.

[BrilloPad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...lit/dt1001.xml

Protesting fathers should have their grievances heard

Sir - Fathers 4 Justice performs stunts (report, June 9) because the Government will not listen to reasoned argument.

When I was involved in Fathers 4 Justice, such was the difficulty we had in speaking to Harriet Harman, the Minister for Women and Equality, that I, along with a colleague from Real Fathers for Justice, booked into a conference at which the minister was due to speak, entitled "Opening up the Family Courts".

I took the precaution of registering as a representative of a fictional organisation. At the door I was allowed in, but my colleague wasn't, which makes me seriously doubt whether Miss Harman would have agreed to meet with the protesters who climbed on her roof on Sunday if, as she says, they had simply asked for an appointment.

Once inside the conference, I managed to put my question. Miss Harman's reply revealed no insight into the devastating effects on children of suddenly removing a parent from them.

Perhaps rooftop diplomacy is the only way.

Ray Barry, Wolverhampton, West Midlands

Sir - Have our crime-prevention forces and the Government taken leave of their senses? The best way to end the Fathers 4 Justice demonstration at Miss Harman's home would be to remove the reporters, instead of the protesters.

No media, no point in demonstrating. Harriet Harman should stay there and lean out of her bedroom window and talk to them.

Mike Ostick, Upton-upon-Severn, Worcestershire

[NotAllThere]

...I still have piccies the chaps up there took - one of the lads hid the memory card about their person to get it through custody!

[BrilloPad]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle544897.ece

What we need is Labour 4 Families

WHEN two Fathers 4 Justice campaigners staged a protest on minister Harriet Harman’s house roof this week she commented that the "police have got more important things they could be doing".

In an increasingly lawless Britain, where knife and gun crime is now commonplace, indeed they have.

But the irony is that perhaps the root cause of the majority of that crime can be attributed to the very thing that caused Mark Harris and Jolly Stanesby to leap on her roof in the first place.

The family breakdown that has been accelerated — some might say actively encouraged — by a succession of woefully misjudged Government policies.

Labour have always been about social justice, but the ideal of that is to support those in genuine need of help while creating a climate in which everyone else feels encouraged to work for a living and take responsibility for their own lives.

When New Labour came to power, its poster boy Tony Blair made the grand claim: "Our historic aim will be for ours to be the first generation to end child poverty for ever."

An admirable sentiment, but the reality is that he and Gordon Brown — a passionate advocate of the move to eradicate child poverty — mistakenly thought the problem would be solved by throwing money at it.

Our survey says uh-uh.

This week a report from the UK’s four children’s commissioners claimed that one in three British youngsters now lives in relative poverty.

In other words, around 3.8million.

Soaring numbers are depressed and in fear of crime, they drink more alcohol than any other young people in Europe and start having sex earlier.

Poverty, you see, isn’t just about money. It can also mean deprivation of values, love, boundaries or discipline — all the factors crucial to a child’s sense of wellbeing.

Money, as The Beatles told us, can’t buy you love.

So New Labour’s perhaps well intended but clearly misguided method of simply increasing financial help to the poorer elements of society has created a benefits culture where millions are now reliant on the state and reluctant to change the status quo.

Any society will always have its share of genuinely needy people and it is right there should be a system in place to help them.

But this Government’s "social justice" policies have proved an injustice to the hard-working and law-abiding and actively encouraged fecklessness and family breakdown.

Young girls with few prospects use pregnancy as a career option, knowing single motherhood will propel them to the front of the housing queue and boost their benefits.

Consequently, already reluctant "fathers" — and I use the word loosely — are let off the hook, knowing the child they fail to take responsibility for will be funded by the taxpayer while they move on to the next meaningless sexual encounter that may or may not result in yet another fatherless baby.

And so the rot spreads across the fabric of society, with an increasing number of state-reliant households where, all too often, the only examples being held up to children are relationship breakdown, fecklessness and law-breaking.

When they too start to go off the rails, there’s often only one weary, sometimes disinterested mother to try to control them, the valuable pincer movement of an interested and supportive father sorely lacking.

What are the chances of the poor child emerging from that situation to become a fully functioning and paid-up member of society? Answer: Increasingly unlikely.

Conversely, at the other end of the scale, certain fathers who want to be part of their child’s life but are no longer in a relationship with the mother, are finding that family law is an ass.

As Fathers 4 Justice founder Matt O’Connor wrote in The Sun yesterday, one in four children now grow up in a fatherless family.

In the black community it’s two in three.

The vacuum left by a father is often filled by a drug dealer or gang leader.

Matt adds: "The Government’s position on fathers’ rights is that it does not ‘believe a legal presumption to contact would be helpful’."

So, a warning to our Prime Minister Gordon Brown, whose intentions on child poverty I believe to be heartfelt.

In to the vacuum created in the heart of society by policies that aid the alienation of fathers will step someone who dares to speak up for the "traditional" family ideal, however old-fashioned that may sound.

Cue David Cameron this week: "Families need a Government which is on their side, which gives help on the tax and benefits side, but also helps provide an environment which supports them, while allowing them to be responsible."

Asked which is more important to him, becoming Prime Minister or being a father, he replied: "Your responsibility as a father has always got to come first. Bringing children in to the world is the most important thing you can do."

The two men on Harriet Harman’s roof felt the same way, and if she took the time to listen to them and work at making family law a little less father-unfriendly, she might find, in years to come, that the police will have a lot more time on their hands.

[NotAllThere]

While I thoroughly agree with you, you do sound a bit like those Christian fundamentalists when they bang on about family values. Don't you hate guilt by association.

[BrilloPad]

While I thoroughly agree with you, you do sound a bit like those Christian fundamentalists when they bang on about family values. Don't you hate guilt by association.

I hate agreeing with the sun.