Sterilise parents on benefits

[SizeZero]

This isn't controversial at all, is it?

If you can't support yourself or a family, you shouldn't be having a family, regardless of where you're from.

And yet, somehow, this simple message just doesn't get through.

and what if you are a good mother with children, married for many years with nice 2 cars/4 bed house, whose husband suddenly takes off with his business or salary and his latest blonde, thus forcing the mother onto benefits and into social housing. Should she be sterilised too? Or should he be before he leaves blonde number 2 in exactly the same position?

At what point should they be sterilised? A month after redundancy or perhaps a car accident? Three months? Six? As soon as the 'thank you for your services to our company, good luck in the future' letter arrives?

How do you define - as you are all in god (or Nazi) mode - what is a good parent and what is a bad parent - and is this directly related to income band as many here seem to think?

Bear in mind that sterilisation is still not a guarenteed 100% reversal (in fact, it's not that successful to reverse at all, iirc).

[Diver]

An orange Focus ST?

He part ex'ed it on an A3

[Diver]

and what if you are a good mother with children, married for many years with nice 2 cars/4 bed house, whose husband suddenly takes off with his business or salary and his latest blonde, thus forcing the mother onto benefits and into social housing. Should she be sterilised too? Or should he be before he leaves blonde number 2 in exactly the same position?

At what point should they be sterilised? A month after redundancy or perhaps a car accident? Three months? Six? As soon as the 'thank you for your services to our company, good luck in the future' letter arrives?

How do you define - as you are all in god (or Nazi) mode - what is a good parent and what is a bad parent - and is this directly related to income band as many here seem to think?

Bear in mind that sterilisation is still not a guarenteed 100% reversal (in fact, it's not that successful to reverse at all, iirc).

We are talking of unwed mothers, usually in their teens who see getting preggers as a means to getting a council house and benefits.

HTH

[BrilloPad]

How do you define - as you are all in god (or Nazi) mode - what is a good parent and what is a bad parent - and is this directly related to income band as many here seem to think?

why not take the family court definition? women are good parents, men are bad parents.

[Moscow Mule]

why not take the family court definition? women are good parents, men are bad parents.

Don't you start again.

[Diver]

Don't you start again.

[NotAllThere]

I prefer James Wales's idea whereby everybody is sterilised at birth and they have to apply to the state to have it reversed when they have grown into a responsible adult, have a job, enough resources to support themselves and wish to get married and have a family.

No more unwanted children would ever again be brought into the world, and no children would be born purely to rake in benefits at the expense of the hard-working taxpayer. Utopia!!

Or to put it another way - no children would be born to people that the government didn't approve of.

[realityhack]

How do you define - as you are all in god (or Nazi) mode - what is a good parent and what is a bad parent - and is this directly related to income band as many here seem to think?

I don't think you'll find me advocating sterilisation anywhere in my posts. The above point is a good one though. Complicated to answer too - and I'm not sure any non-parent could fully answer that either.

For me it's about attitude - the attitude to work, and take responsibility for your family, and provide for their needs, by your own means, and to take pride in doing so. It's about taking responsibility for your surroundings, your environment, your community, and making a practical contribution. It's about being disciplined, upright and faithful, being of good character, having integrity.

In the above case, in a functioning community, the community itself would support the abandoned, and the infirm. I accept that this ideal relies on a fair few characteristics that seem to have died out in many places.

[Ardesco]

and what if you are a good mother with children, married for many years with nice 2 cars/4 bed house, whose husband suddenly takes off with his business or salary and his latest blonde, thus forcing the mother onto benefits and into social housing. Should she be sterilised too? Or should he be before he leaves blonde number 2 in exactly the same position?

At what point should they be sterilised? A month after redundancy or perhaps a car accident? Three months? Six? As soon as the 'thank you for your services to our company, good luck in the future' letter arrives?

How do you define - as you are all in god (or Nazi) mode - what is a good parent and what is a bad parent - and is this directly related to income band as many here seem to think?

Bear in mind that sterilisation is still not a guarenteed 100% reversal (in fact, it's not that successful to reverse at all, iirc).

The point is that once the husband has run off and she has no means to pay for another child she shouldn't (and I very much doubt that she would in the case you describe) go out and get preggars!!

I remember a few years ago my wife telling me that in the playground in the school she was working she had heard one of the mothers tell her daughter:

"You'll be 16 soon then you can go out, get yourself pregnant and get your own house on the social"

It is people like this that should be stopped from breeding. How would it be done in a fair way? I doubt it could, the easiest option is to just not pay them any benefits so that there is no benefit to them doing it but that would be against their human rights, and won't somebody think of the poor child....

[SizeZero]

We are talking of unwed mothers, usually in their teens who see getting preggers as a means to getting a council house and benefits.
HTH

My sister was a mother in her teens, her 'wonderful boyfriend' lost his job, then another, then another, then her, then he went downward into drugs etc. He didn't drag her, or their children with him, thank <chosen diety>. She was and still is in social housing. She is now a qualified midwife - which has taken her four years of study AND shiftwork, and juggling childcare. I'm proud of her, and she's doing more for society than you.

You however would have had her lined up at gunpoint with 'the rest of them', written off as beneath you. True?


HTH