Oath of allegiance to the queen.

[threaded]

I sometimes feel that people forget our Monarch is the Head of State and is only there because in the past her family were a gang of ruthless thugs who trampled over everyone who wasn't able to stand up to them.

[The Lone Gunman]

START RANT: Everything the State gives me I pay for through taxation, either nationally or locally.

I have "bought" the right to peacefully disagree with the policies and structures of state, or has democracy really flown away for good.

My loyalty is to my family and friends of whatever culture or colour they may be, not some fekin abstract ideal I do not share whether that is politcal or religious. END RANT

...and relax

I dont have time for this.
All of you who do not wish to show any loyalty to the state are perfectly at liberty to remove yourselves from the state (courtesy of the state).
Give up your citizenship, go live elsewhere.
Or make your protest by giving up as much of your rights as you can. Give back your passport as you do not wish to be protected by the state. Do not excercise your right to vote, but make no political comment either.
Pay for what you are required to pay for but make your protest by not availing yourself of any state aid.

Lots of you willing to protest, but none willing to do anything about it.

Living in the UK and enjoying all it has to offer SHOULD require some sort of loyalty and commitment to the UK.

[wobbegong]

Well said LG !

I sometimes feel that people forget our Monarch is the Head of State and is accorded certain rights and bestows upon us certain responsibilties and protections.

If you ditch that concept, your basically promoting a "self-serving" society, who want rights, but with none of the responsibilities.

I'm not sure that's a healthy society.

I think we're already there. Feral kids who think the world owes them a living, no qualifications, no respect for authority, no marketable skills, just a rapidly spawning drain on resources.

[Cheshire Cat]

I sometimes think people forget that the Queen is Head of State and was born into a position of privilege, and that at the rights and freedoms "bestowed" upon the populace were actually wrestled from the Monarchy at various points through history, sometimes through bloody violence, rather than gifted. I sometimes think people forget that the separation of monarchy and judiciary means that most of the rights and freedoms of the people are actually defended and protected by the people themselves rather than by the monarch.

[SueEllen]

I think we're already there. Feral kids who think the world owes them a living, no qualifications, no respect for authority, no marketable skills, just a rapidly spawning drain on resources.

And who created them and allowed them to go that way?

[HYpno27]

I dont have time for this.

Sorry to be pushing your buttons, LG but thanks for making the time.

The debate seems to be falling into two camps, those with a degree of historical perspective... and those with a hysterical one

All constructs such as Monarchy and State and the boundaries drawn on a map are impermanent, and created by people, usually a long time ago and then justified by people today to serve their version of "truth". Over time they all get replaced.

I choose to be loyal to my friends and family, (also impermanent, but has meaning to me) is there something wrong with that?

[DodgyAgent]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7287984.stm

1st step on the path to reclaiming our empire. What ho.

What flipin planet are these people living on?

OK being a Jock and republican (Not the Irish/terrorist kind) and a Celtic fan I may be slightly biased, but still seems like a dumb idea all the same.

Behind your sneer snaw there is a very good reason for this. People need to feel a sense of belonging and in times of adversity they need to feel some sort of solidarity. It depends I suppose whether you believe in the concept of the nation state or not. On oath of allegiance means that you are at least obliged to take certain responsibilities towards others rather than think of yourself all the time.

We have not had a war for some time, but if there is one ( a serious one not one where we need a bit of oil because we've run out for a few days) you can bet all the lefty, anti military, royalty bashers will be the first to squael "where are the army?" if they are threatened.

I do also totally accept that in these circumstances it is a pathetic attempt to clear up the mess left by these socialists.

[sasguru]

My nation, right or wrong? Look where that left the Germans ...
Blind loyalty is as dangerous as no loyalty.

[DodgyAgent]

My nation, right or wrong? Look where that left the Germans ...
Blind loyalty is as dangerous as no loyalty.

Why is it as soon as someone starts a debate on a subject that those who disagree always cite extremes as examples to support their stance?

[Marina]

I'll swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen when she swears one to me.

She has, dummy, as part of the oath sworn at her coronation.