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Are there many young contractors?
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I''ve just turned 29, went contracting at the end of 27. Main motivational factor was seeing my charge out rate that my then permie company was charging me out for.
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I think Dow Jones has hit the nail firmly on the head.
Clients expect soft skills and a broad background, backed up with lots of experience. This gives them a feel good factor. I have dealt with many people in the past who look great on paper, are actually fantastic at writing code, but don't have a clue on how to interact with people. (I call them back offfice boys).
This is why in general contractors tend to be 30+. There are of course exeptions to this, but the industry in general is ageist in funny ways.
For permie positions there is a bias towards younger people, in contract positions it seems to be the other way around.Comment
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35 plus is usually a good indication of the candidate having been around for a while.
Thus bringing with them, the soft skills and the relevant technical skills.That boy go raaaaaaa
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Originally posted by Jason View PostI think Dow Jones has hit the nail firmly on the head.
Clients expect soft skills and a broad background, backed up with lots of experience. This gives them a feel good factor. I have dealt with many people in the past who look great on paper, are actually fantastic at writing code, but don't have a clue on how to interact with people. (I call them back offfice boys).
This is why in general contractors tend to be 30+. There are of course exeptions to this, but the industry in general is ageist in funny ways.
For permie positions there is a bias towards younger people, in contract positions it seems to be the other way around.Comment
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Originally posted by Jason View PostI think Dow Jones has hit the nail firmly on the head.
Clients expect soft skills and a broad background, backed up with lots of experience. This gives them a feel good factor. I have dealt with many people in the past who look great on paper, are actually fantastic at writing code, but don't have a clue on how to interact with people. (I call them back offfice boys).
This is why in general contractors tend to be 30+. There are of course exeptions to this, but the industry in general is ageist in funny ways.
For permie positions there is a bias towards younger people, in contract positions it seems to be the other way around.
A person with such a background is favored over a person who may have all the letters after his name but has worked as a permie in one or two regular companies all his life.
That said, most of my contractor friends are 30+, except the ones from Aussie land of course!
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Originally posted by oracleslave View PostSo are you saying a propellor-head coder can develop a personality over time?
On the last (incedibly alcohol fuelled) night, one of the product developer geeks started an arguement with my boss about whether personality was important in consulting or not. The following extract was the end of the argument
Geek: Well, if that's your c***ing argument, you might as well f*** off to c***ing Microsoft then.
Manager: I think you've proved my point.Comment
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostWhen I joined Oracle, my training was with some product developers as well as consultants.
On the last (incedibly alcohol fuelled) night, one of the product developer geeks started an arguement with my boss about whether personality was important in consulting or not. The following extract was the end of the argument
Geek: Well, if that's your c***ing argument, you might as well f*** off to c***ing Microsoft then.
Manager: I think you've proved my point.Comment
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I was 33 when I started although I could have started a few years earlier. At that time it was a broad mix of good skilled contractors, some with good attitudes, some with bad and a few years later before the crash in 2002, a surprising amount of freeloaders.
Nowadays, being older and less motivated learning the latest new techno-fads, I rely more on my soft skills and experience relating to clients and doing a solid job, than getting excited about the wonders of the latest technology.
When I left contracting 4 years ago it was quite a tight market but now I'm B2B and its just cash flow, changing pension rules, savings and stupid business tax increases that concern me most now.If you think my attitude stinks, you should smell my fingers.Comment
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