Another what would you do ?

[sasguru]

I happen to totally disagree with most of SA's opinion in this thread, but can we keep the rightful indignation to a minimum?
I happen to find recreational drugs and the users of these drugs most distasteful. Almost as annoying as holier than thou preachy types standing in a messageboard pulpit lecturing everyone else.

Best post in this thread
Got off your high horse, you holier-than-thou do-gooders.

[SallyAnne]

I think I will out you, SA.

This is just another of your wind ups isn't it. It has to be, just to draw attention to yourself and cause a reaction.



First you say a few months ago that the McCanns are guilty of being involved in Maddy's disappearance, long before the McCanns were formally considered suspects. This provoked some outrage on this forum from the more 'just' amongst us who deemed you to be rather harsh and over-reactionary with your 'guilty without charge or proof' stance. Since then, of course, much later on, we've heard in the news that you could have been right at one point when it was reported that the McCanns were possibly considered guilty of drugging their daughter to send her to sleep with tragic consequences.....

This point of view is consistent with the 'don't harm my child or any child or else I'll string you up.'

Now you seem to be saying in this debate that a 17 year old dabbling in Coke is not a child and so has no consequences to worry about.

Hmmmmm....

I'm sorry Denny - is it a wind up because I didn't mention IR35?

[oracleslave]

I happen to totally disagree with most of SA's opinion in this thread, but can we keep the rightful indignation to a minimum?
I happen to find recreational drugs and the users of these drugs most distasteful. Almost as annoying as holier than thou preachy types standing in a messageboard pulpit lecturing everyone else.

Amen brother.

[Churchill]

I'm sorry Denny - is it a wind up because I didn't mention IR35?

And you didn't ask her to make a cup of tea.

[Dow Jones]

Back to the point

Tell the daughter's friend that if she carries on sniffing, she'll never be able to work in an investment bank.
Instead, she can develop her drinking skills. That's another reason there are so few girls around here.

[Bagpuss]

Let's put some stats on this:

From the national statistics online:





Clearly more people drink that take drugs. Clearly alcohol is a more serious issue in the UK (Based on these stats). Where are out priorities?

Absolute numbers are meaningless when you consider how much more prevalent drinking is.

Many more people drink than take class A drugs. If you normalised the data by usage you would see how much more dangerous drug taking is.

Add to that it's harder to prove drug related death, e.g. if you die of a heart attack, poisoning or an aneurism it may not be apparent it was drug related. many drug deaths will not be classified as such. Alcohol abuse will always be apparent in autopsy of the liver.

Alcohol related deaths are not sudden, many of these people will become old.

[Denny]

Best post in this thread
Got off your high horse, you holier-than-thou do-gooders.

Good point.....I would say to that.......except that it isn't a good point at all in this particularl topic, simply because this is a legal argument not just a moral one.

Holier than thou atitudes are confined to people who choose to take a high moral stance based on opinion - opinions that can attract reasonable opposing viewpoints that can, if well argued, be equally valid.

We are demonstrating the facts around an unlawful activity based on plentiful medical evidence to demonstate why it is dangerous and damaging to the individual and to society as a whole.

Holier than thou doesn't come into it - any more than it does about any other criminal activity. The law is the law, and is not open to opinion or bias which would persuade any judge that exceptions could be made over whether the activity is in fact lawful.

If you want to debate whether class A drugs should be legalised, then that is another debate which could be open to opinion. This is not what this thread is about.

[Moscow Mule]

Sandy, I think you've provoked a fair bit of debate here, most of which can be distilled to, do you read the Daily Mail or not?

Drugs can screw up peoples lives, the evidence is there for all to see. But they don't screw up everybody who ever takes drugs.

Within the next few months this child will be legally old enough to asses the risks involved in taking drugs and make her own choices. If I were you, I would talk to Frank (mentioned on page 1).

Your daughter seems to be taking a puritanical view with her friend, this issue isn't black and white and there may well be underlying issues driving this girl to coke, or she may just be having a bit of fun.

I would suggest your daughter talk to this girl (1 to 1 - not in a group) and ask her why she's taking drugs and what she likes about it. If there's an underlying issue, try to help her through it. If there isn't - she'll have make up her own mind if she wants to be her friend when she's going to be up her own arse one minute, and a right miserable bastard two days after.

[Denny]

I'm sorry Denny - is it a wind up because I didn't mention IR35?

That's cheap - even for you!

You are beginning to make Churchill look intelligent. So you'd better watch out!

[Churchill]

That's cheap - even for you!

You are beginning to make Churchill look intelligent. So you'd better watch out!

Get a job.