Good news - Loads more immigrants!

[Churchill]

Nah, cut and paste job from Evan Davis on the BBC.

Besides, I'm Spartacus.

You can't be mate, because he is!

[DodgyAgent]

Bus drivers are regularly hired by the big bus companies.

First and Arriva even have their own training centres in Poland to teach English, ticketing systems and to drive on the left. These are both practical and classroom based and are very extensive.

The wage for your average bus driver is between £6.00 £7.00 per hour (more in London), and there are no takers for these jobs in high unemployment areas such as Bolton, Manchester, Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh.

There are however tens of thousands of people who are not working who could do these jobs. The locals do not want to do them because they earn enough from benefits and tax credits.

The other problem with locals is that having spent so much time out of work they do not have the work ethic, or work experience to make good bus drivers.

So to say that these Poles are taking British jobs is not quite right. They are however keeping labour costs down as in order to make it worth someone's while to take such a job they would need to be paid enough to make benefits an unattractive option. The problem of course is that if you start pushing up labour costs bus fares will rise.

There is something terribly wrong with all this, and it makes one ask what on earth we as a society are doing paying people not to work. Not only does it take so many people out of the work force, it forces us to import workers. Even worse we are taking tens of thousands of people and stripping them of the one thing from which their lives can develop which is the ability to work.

On another point it is absolutly vital for any company or individual that they should not be complacent. Complacency leads to inefficiency and laziness. It is essential therefore that there should be competition in the work environment. In other words employees and employers should both be given choice about who they employ and where they work as it keeps us all honest

Nothing wrong with a few thousand hungry hard working Poles to keep the Brits on our toes.

[TimberWolf]

The solution therefore is to keep importing people indefinitely?

[DodgyAgent]

The solution therefore is to keep importing people indefinitely?

Lot easier than that put a stop to benefits

[rootsnall]

The solution therefore is to keep importing people indefinitely?

And therefore keep non skilled wages deflated below their market level indefinitely !

[TimberWolf]

And therefore keep non skilled wages deflated below their market level indefinitely !

Exactly. You beat me to it while typing. Here is my rubbish anyway:

Or pay a market rate? Someone somewhere said something along the lines that if there are failures in a free market, something is artificially upsetting things. What I mean to say is if you pay a market rate you’d be knocked down by Brits wanting to take the jobs. Importing people might make things worse, and this isn’t sustainable indefinitely. Of course there’s also something to be said about the artificiality of paying people not to work.

[DimPrawn]

Lot easier than that put a stop to benefits

Or perhaps the real reason Dodgy is so keen is that many companies will employ AGENTS to hire the foreign workers on artificially low wages, and pocket the difference?

[DodgyAgent]

The market is artificial anyway. It is made artificial by the paying of benefits. Far better that govt should remove benefits and give the money back as reduced tax on lower incomes. Bus fares may rise a bit but drivers would also pay less tax. Consumers would gain because they too would pay less tax. There would be less pressure on housing and medicare, and fewer yobs to make driving a bus unpleasant.

In the words of my hero "Dell boy" Eveyone's a winner

except:

1. The poor agent who no longer has a market for his immigrants
2. The great british state who no longer has 4 million benefits claimants at its mercy

[DimPrawn]

The market is artificial anyway. It is made artificial by the paying of benefits. Far better that govt should remove benefits and give the money back as reduced tax on lower incomes. Bus fares may rise a bit but drivers would also pay less tax. Consumers would gain because they too would pay less tax. There would be less pressure on housing and medicare, and fewer yobs to make driving a bus unpleasant.

In the words of my hero "Dell boy" Eveyone's a winner

except:

1. The poor agent who no longer has a market for his immigrants
2. The great british state who no longer has 4 million benefits claimants at its mercy

If you do away with the welfare state, what the fook do you need a state for? There lies your answer to the ever increasing reliance on handouts.

Don't think for a minute the current government is dreaming up ways to reduce the welfare state.

[vetran]

The real worry is what will happen when there is a downturn, those that actually want to work are made redundant and find all the jobs they would normally fall back on taken at minimum wage by economic migrants. Then I think the whole thing will go bang, scares the hell out of me.

Also recent migrants are deplacing historical migrants, they are cheaper, that doesn't seem to be going down well.

Dodgy, agree completely remove benefit dependance, however current government has no wish to do this.