Free dosh for Scotland

[snaw]

UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

London Metropolitan Area:

http://www.londononline.co.uk/factfile/population/

Many more if you want to go search for them AtW, not like it's not common knowledge.

[DodgyAgent]

Looks like sense of humour in agents is totally options, much like brains

It was a joke thank god for that.

Here you are AtW:

apologies for missing it

[AtW]

Many more if you want to go search for them AtW, not like it's not common knowledge.

"The "official" London population - the London administrative area of thirty-two London boroughs and the City of London - was 7,517,700 as of mid 2005."

[snaw]

It covers 1579 km² (609 square miles) and had a 2006 mid-year estimated population of 7,512,400

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London

I'm talking about the London metropolitan area AtW, not the political boundry of greater London, it isn't the same thing as the number of people who actually live in and around London. I live in greater London, go a couple of stops more on the train and you're outside but I challenge you to find out where the green bit in the middle is.

[AtW]

I'm talking about the London metropolitan area AtW

No, you were very specific saying Greater London!

UK Population (2006) = 60,587,300
Greater London Population (2001 - I imagine it's gone up) = 13,945,000

How's that?

Don't do Sandy on me snaw

You point is sure that those 13 mln probably one way or another depend on work in London - this is possible, but this is exactly the problem - they travel to place which normally holds maybe 7 mln, so there is a need to move companies out of London so that those who travel from far away won't have to go past M25.

[snaw]

No, you were very specific saying Greater London!



Don't do Sandy on me snaw

You're splitting hairs, it's the same thing - the context of the conversation is talking about people who live in and around London, you know the ones who use the transport system we're discussing - most of us who live here call that greater London, not the London Metropolitan Area, which from a political perspective it is (Greater London is a political boundry, not an actual gap between London and the rest). Someone who lives in Twickenham - a couple of stops down the road considers themselves to live in London, even if they don't have a London postcode.

My point is still valid, metropolitan London encompasses around 25% of the UK's population.

[AtW]

I caught you on a major factual error - about 2 times, this is changes your number from 25% to 11%, meaning that there are almost 90% taxpayers outside of London that pay their taxes to subsudise your lifestyle.

My point is still valid, metropolitan London encompasses around 25% of the UK's population.

Do they all travel to work to inside M25? I might as well include whole of West Midlands to say it is metropolitan area of Birmingham and therefore count all their money as tax generated by Birmingham, which would clearly be incorrect as even Solihull is sufficiently far away.

[IR35 Avoider]

The Barnett formula was a noble idea in its time

Barnett was on TV the other night, saying that when he invented the formula (in 1976?) it was a tactical manouvre to get himself out of a short-term problem, and he never intended it to last more than about 12 months. He was abolutely gobsmacked when the Conservatives maintained it throughout their time in office. He says it should be scrapped now.

(Edit: For those who think I can't spell/type s c r a p p e d, the board is overriding what I type.)

[AtW]

He says it should be scarpped now.

He says it now because he is not in the office - if he was in the office he'd say his formulae was so successful that it survived the test of time under different Govts.

[snaw]

I caught you on a major factual error - about 2 times, this is changes your number from 25% to 11%, meaning that there are almost 90% taxpayers outside of London that pay their taxes to subsudise your lifestyle.



Do they all travel to work to inside M25? I might as well include whole of West Midlands to say it is metropolitan area of Birmingham and therefore count all their money as tax generated by Birmingham, which would clearly be incorrect as even Solihull is sufficiently far away.

No you didn't - you're being pedantic and backing out cause you know your wrong and clutching at straws - and yes, most of them would travel into London to work - that's why it's population increses to 17 million or so during the day.

The point,as stated - is that 25% or so of the UK's population lives in the London area - half of them don't have a London postcode ,but that's neither here nor there when it comes to this issues which affects them all which we're discussing. And that 25% generate a hell of a lot of tax revenue, and have every right to expect money to get spent on their transport system.

Clearly you don't get London if you think the people living here without a London postcode don't consider themselves as living in London.