C4 Dispatches - immigrants really good for Britain

[SallyAnne]

The Portuguese are "stupid, lazy and poor, like Pakistanis". I can't believe this is going out on British TV.


Indians are the best - "dead brainy, and least burden on public services", along with Americans.

yeah the pakistani's are lazy like, they never work - they're known for it!

[DodgyAgent]

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The Portuguese are "stupid, lazy and poor, like Pakistanis". I can't believe this is going out on British TV.
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Jean Charles de Menezes got up early to work as an electrician. Perhaps that's why they shot him - he was ruining the stats.

no one seems to have asked what he was doing in this country in the first place. I did not know that we so short of electricians that Brazilians were being given work permits

[Bagpuss]

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no one seems to have asked what he was doing in this country in the first place. I did not know that we so short of electricians that Brazilians were being given work permits

IIRC he was overstaying his 'student' visa

[Rantor]

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no one seems to have asked what he was doing in this country in the first place. I did not know that we so short of electricians that Brazilians were being given work permits

Are you sure about that? There seemed to be a lot of murmurs along those lines after he was killed. Basically, no work permit therefore no right to complain about being gunned down. A bit like you are doing now really.

[kingshuk]

can you expand a bit on how tulip the raj was to them

thanks in advance

A very large amount can be written about it. But surely you and I have better things to do. So being lazy just copying stuffs from Wikipedia. Luckily pleanty of historians and a recent economist noble prize winner has covered this ground for you.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...cts_on_economy

Some of the modernization assoicated with the industrial revolution did benefit India during this period... However, this was accompanied by the collapse of traditional industry, which was faced with the ferocious competition of cheap British-made goods. When British arrived to India for trading, prosperous India accounted for more than 17% of the world GDP, when British left India in 1947, India accounted for less than 1% of the world GDP.

Post-1857 India also experienced a period of unprecedented calamity when the region was swept by a series of frequent and devastating famines, among the most catastrophic on record. Approximately 25 major famines spread through states such as Tamil Nadu in South India, Bihar in the north, and Bengal in the east in the latter half of the 19th century, killing 30–40 million Indians

Contemporary observers of the famines such as Romesh Dutt as well as present-day scholars such as Amartya Sen attributed the famines both to uneven rainfall and British economic and administrative policies, which since 1857 had led to the seizure and conversion of local farmland to foreign-owned plantations, restrictions on internal trade, inflationary measures that increased the price of food, and substantial exports of staple crops from India to the United Kingdom (Dutt, 1900 and 1902; Srivastava, 1968; Sen, 1982; Bhatia, 1985).

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Some British citizens such as William Digby agitated for policy reforms and better famine relief, but Robert Bulwer-Lytton, 1st Earl of Lytton, son of the poet Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1st Baron Lytton and the governing British viceroy in India, opposed such changes in the belief that they would stimulate shirking by Indian workers. The famines continued until independence in 1947, with the Bengal Famine of 1943–44 — among the most devastating — killing 3–4 million Indians during World War II. Famine relief methods were inefficient as they often involved making undernourished people do heavy labor on public works. However, there were some famines (ex. 1874 and 1907) in which English officials acted effectively.

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Lytton's administration was particularly negligent when it came to famine relief, with disastrous results. It was Lord Lytton's belief that market forces would see that food got into famine stricken areas, therefore government aid would not be necessary and in fact would inhibit famine relief efforts (Niall Ferguson, Empire and Lady Beatty Balfour, Lord Lytton's Indian Administration). As a result of the calamity of 1877 Lord Lytton lost his job but not before he established the Famine Insurance Grant. The results of this was that the British prematurely assumed that the problem of famine had been solved forever ("The Ruling Caste: Imperial Lives in the Victorian Raj" by David Gilmour page 116). This, sadly, proved not to be the case and the complacency that resulted from it contributed to the lack of action by the Elgin ("The Ruling Caste: Imperial Lives in the Victorian Raj" by David Gilmour page 116). Curzon abhorred the seeming indifference many Britons at home had towards famine in India ("Curzon: Imperial Statesman" by David Gilmour page 261). 'It was the tradegy of 1876-1878 that led to the establishment of a general famine commission under Richard Strachey and the consequent adoption of a famine code' (Dilmour, "Curzon", page 115). A famine code was not adopted in Bengal however, which contributed to the disaster in 1943. In order to limit the effects of famine ‘’Successive British governments were anxious not to add to the burden of taxation” (Robert Johnson, “British Imperialism” page 30).

Personally I find the Bengal famine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_...ossible_Causes) most repulsive - since by that time we were supposed to have known better.


British authorities feared a subsequent Japanese invasion of British India proper by way of Bengal (see British Raj), and emergency measures were introduced to stockpile food for British soldiers and prevent access to supplies by the Japanese in case of an invasion.

A 'scorched earth' policy was implemented in the Chittagong region, nearest the Burmese border, whilst large amounts of rice were exported to the Middle East to feed British troops, and to Ceylon, which had been heavily dependent on Burmese rice before the war, and which was the headquarters of South East Asia Command. [citation needed]

On the 16th October 1942 the whole east coast of Bengal and Orissa was hit by a cyclone. A huge area of rice cultivation up to forty miles inland was flooded, causing the autumn crop in these areas to fail. This meant that the peasantry had to eat their surplus, and the seed that should have been planted in the winter of 1942-3 had been consumed by the time the hot weather began in May 1943. [3].

[Churchill]

im a pakistani and i think there a major issue in high ethnic areas for sure..but no bums in my family and its a big family except 1 cousin who gets a lot of headaches other then that every single one of my cousins works!

so myth exposed hehe

but i been to places like kieghley and oldham where it can suck..

indians r mega hard workers i have to admit but the word immigrant should be banned...its just has so many over tones to it!!


war cro-cop

Your spelling and grammar are atrocious. I hope that you're not putting yourself forward as a shining example of your race.

Btw, it was your lot that f*cked up Oldham.

[ChimpMaster]

Your spelling and grammar are atrocious. I hope that you're not putting yourself forward as a shining example of your race.

Btw, it was your lot that f*cked up Oldham.

Now now CD, oh sorry I mean Churchill... calm down calm down. Very racist overtones there. Mind you, he could quite easily come back with the fact that Brits f*cked up quite a few countries throughout the world, as well as creating the mess that is Pakistan.

[mrdonuts]

the reason indias gdp fell was the industrial revolution, the tat they and many other countries were making was no longer reqd

you have just posted a lot of rubbish, india got a great deal from their period of uk government, notably the english language and legal system, which now is allowing them to gain work worldwide. If they didnt have the language skills the chinese would be kicking their arses in the service sector as well as manufacturing

[3ill]

the reason indias gdp fell was the industrial revolution, the tat they and many other countries were making was no longer reqd

Places like Manchester became rich in the industrial revolution on the backs of Indian cities, the British raised taxes on cotton produced in India which resulted in the whole textile industry collapsing.

[lilelvis2000]

the reason indias gdp fell was the industrial revolution, the tat they and many other countries were making was no longer reqd

you have just posted a lot of rubbish, india got a great deal from their period of uk government, notably the english language and legal system, which now is allowing them to gain work worldwide. If they didnt have the language skills the chinese would be kicking their arses in the service sector as well as manufacturing

I think history is quite clear that the British f**ked the place up. Nevermind the Amritsar massacare and the rest. I suppose you figure it was job done, country looted.

Given the history of India, they would have easily kept pace with the world.

Try reading a book you tw*t.