Reply to: C4 Dispatches - immigrants really good for Britain

[SallyAnne]

And what did the Romans ever do for us?

igmc

Hevra

[Hevra]

we ourselves were conquered by the Romans, and do you hear the British whining and whinging about the fact that the Romans raped and pillaged our country? Not a bit of it, we generally look upon the Roman conquests in a positive light. wh? because we are a confident race of people who do not need to feel the need for sympathy.

And what did the Romans ever do for us?

igmc

Hevra

[DodgyAgent]

Why can't we all just play nice together?

Cos deep down we are not shallow

[Churchill]

Silures for Ever...!

Come and 'ave a go if you think!

Churchill - in "Traditional Troglodyte war cry" mode!

[DBA_bloke]

we ourselves were conquered by the Romans, and do you hear the British whining and whinging about the fact that the Romans raped and pillaged our country? Not a bit of it, we generally look upon the Roman conquests in a positive light. wh? because we are a confident race of people who do not need to feel the need for sympathy..

Boudicca and the Iceni, who were actually there at the time, would have disagreed with your POV... and torched your town to make their point more fully!

[sasguru]

Because deep down, we're tribal.

You are African and I claim my 5 ritual face scars.

[SallyAnne]

Because deep down, we're tribal.

Yeah, one big tribe!!

The world, is just, a great big onion!!! (etc)

[Churchill]

Why can't we all just play nice together?

Because deep down, we're tribal.

[SallyAnne]

Why can't we all just play nice together?

[Rantor]

21st Century - Nationalist Resurgence

In the next 50 years, the average salary of inhabitants of all countries will gradually converge due to globalization. It's the super-rich who are moving jobs to the developing world and moving their inhabitants here. Indians and Chinese are happy with globalization because they're becoming relatively richer. Western workers are unhappy because they'll become relatively poorer. Employers anywhere in the world are loving it because they've opened up new markets for their goods and services and are incurring lower wage costs.

Not bad at all, although events can get in the way of seemingly unstoppable trends.

However, I wouldn't really go along with your subject line. Nationalism is going to be a given a boost (an Indian summer?) by the globalisation process and there is a strong reactionary trend towards the more unwholesome brands of nationalism all over the place. In the end, all fear driven stuff as per usual.

It might well be a side-show to the global-market extravaganza but the body count will stack up sooner or later – there is a pent-up demand that needs to be satisfied.

[DodgyAgent]

But, on the other hand...we do like to complain that we are being overrun by immigrants who are taking the locals jobs away and sending manufacturing jobs abroad. Not only that, but these immigrants have different culture and relegion and tell us they don't want to blend in. heck! they wanna run the joint. There goes everything our grandfathers fought for. sigh.

Perhaps things will be better when the colonialists leave.

Fair point.

[lilelvis2000]

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we ourselves were conquered by the Romans, and do you hear the British whining and whinging about the fact that the Romans raped and pillaged our country? Not a bit of it, we generally look upon the Roman conquests in a positive light. wh? because we are a confident race of people who do not need to feel the need for sympathy.

But, on the other hand...we do like to complain that we are being overrun by immigrants who are taking the locals jobs away and sending manufacturing jobs abroad. Not only that, but these immigrants have different culture and relegion and tell us they don't want to blend in. heck! they wanna run the joint. There goes everything our grandfathers fought for. sigh.

Perhaps things will be better when the colonialists leave.

[lilelvis2000]

Spot on. A more useful thread for all ethnic backgrounds on this board would be "How do I take advantage of globalisation?"

I setup a shop of my own there and obtain work, charging less than everyone here and make a mint.

[DodgyAgent]

What?? when did i say i wanted anything from britain trust me thats the last thing i or any indian living here wants.. the stats from this documentary prove that. I wish you would stop trying to imply that... just because someone has a different view on the raj to you doesnt mean they have a chip on their shoulder.
My whole point is that almost everything the raj did in india was to further their cause in esentially making money. If the indians benefit from it then all the better!

Your view on the Raj may be quite correct. Part of the point is no one really knows how different the UK and India would be if the British had not colonised India. I just think that your whining and one eyed assumptions are really rather pathetic and do not do the Indian people any real justice. you simply make your people out to be victims.

we ourselves were conquered by the Romans, and do you hear the British whining and whinging about the fact that the Romans raped and pillaged our country? Not a bit of it, we generally look upon the Roman conquests in a positive light. wh? because we are a confident race of people who do not need to feel the need for sympathy.

This is what sets the British apart from people like you, the Scots, the Welsh and the "we hate the English Australians" It is not us who feel superior (we are the most racially tolerant people in the world, especially in London) it is you lot who either suffer from inferiority complexes and/or feel as if you are victims. You only have to look at how India and China are performing in a globalised economy to realise that we the British are really not the benchmark for success, for cultural excellence, for morality and that we are really not important enough for the rest of the world to judge themselves by. The fact that you think that we are so influencial and so "there to be beaten" pleases us more than you can imagine.

[3ill]

It seems to me that India has indeed "moved on" whereas you clearly have not. If you think that because of your country's history (or your "persecution complex" version of it) you are owed a living by today's generation of British then think again. It was not you who had to suffer at the hands of the colonists and was not me who forced you to shine my boots. Move on.

What?? when did i say i wanted anything from britain trust me thats the last thing i or any indian living here wants.. the stats from this documentary prove that. I wish you would stop trying to imply that... just because someone has a different view on the raj to you doesnt mean they have a chip on their shoulder.
My whole point is that almost everything the raj did in india was to further their cause in esentially making money. If the indians benefit from it then all the better!