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Originally posted by daviejones View PostBut Change Control is necessary to stop the cavalier approach from support engineers and developers!!!Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith
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Originally posted by snaw View PostTotally agree, but there's a balance either way and where I work it's way way way too much on the excessive side. When you spend significantly more time on change control than on any other aspect of your job then something isn't right.
I work in this area and believe that Change Control has a very strong place in organisations."If you can read this, thank a teacher....and since it's in English, thank a soldier"Comment
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Originally posted by Lucy View PostIn my experience 'excessive' change and the obligatory change control occurs when planning hasn't happened, usually because useless managers don't think it is necessary.
I get why it happens - I work in a very large bank, where outages can have serious impact. But the knee jerk reaction is to be more stringent in change control, but that doesn't necessarily stop the problems occurring anyway (Most people who sign off have no idea what they're agreeing too, and some problems are very hard to for-see).
The onorusness of the whole change process results in people not wanting to do any change cause it's such as hassle, and is a cause for quite a few people leaving. Not too mention really big screw ups usually result in people getting sacked (Discreetly or not).Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith
Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek
That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay
Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - CyberghoulComment
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Originally posted by snaw View PostPlanning happens. Every change needs a record (Three weeks in advance for any change that's not an emergency) and sign off. Sign off involves anything from 10 - 50 people agreeing to the change - one rejection sets the whole thing back to zero approvals. Every change is peer reviewed (I spend loads of my time doing peer reviews). Every change is represented in a change meeting. Every change requires a change completion report (Either way). Risk one gets represented globally and needs a barrow load of compulsory testers. Any change which deviates from the listed change record must be backed out. Random post audits are performed on changes etc etc etc
I get why it happens - I work in a very large bank, where outages can have serious impact. But the knee jerk reaction is to be more stringent in change control, but that doesn't necessarily stop the problems occurring anyway (Most people who sign off have no idea what they're agreeing too, and some problems are very hard to for-see).
The onorusness of the whole change process results in people not wanting to do any change cause it's such as hassle, and is a cause for quite a few people leaving. Not too mention really big screw ups usually result in people getting sacked (Discreetly or not).
They should employ me and I will come and sort it for them...!!!"If you can read this, thank a teacher....and since it's in English, thank a soldier"Comment
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Originally posted by snaw View PostPlanning happens. Every change needs a record (Three weeks in advance for any change that's not an emergency) and sign off. Sign off involves anything from 10 - 50 people agreeing to the change - one rejection sets the whole thing back to zero approvals. Every change is peer reviewed (I spend loads of my time doing peer reviews). Every change is represented in a change meeting. Every change requires a change completion report (Either way). Risk one gets represented globally and needs a barrow load of compulsory testers. Any change which deviates from the listed change record must be backed out. Random post audits are performed on changes etc etc etc
I get why it happens - I work in a very large bank, where outages can have serious impact. But the knee jerk reaction is to be more stringent in change control, but that doesn't necessarily stop the problems occurring anyway (Most people who sign off have no idea what they're agreeing too, and some problems are very hard to for-see).
The onorusness of the whole change process results in people not wanting to do any change cause it's such as hassle, and is a cause for quite a few people leaving. Not too mention really big screw ups usually result in people getting sacked (Discreetly or not).
My advice is keep invoicing - kick back and relax and be thankful you dont have to do any actual work.Comment
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Originally posted by daviejones View PostThat is a fault of the process and sounds like a badly designed process.
I work in this area and believe that Change Control has a very strong place in organisations.I've seen much of the rest of the world. It is brutal and cruel and dark, Rome is the light.Comment
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Originally posted by daviejones View PostMost incidents in an organisation happen as a result of unauthorised and badly planned changes....Comment
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Originally posted by AlfredJPruffock View PostIn a nutshell it appears to be a Byzantine Rigmarole which by design ensures nothing actually gets done - I can imagine proposed changes being denied for the most trivial of reasons thereby dettering any changes being made to the system.
My advice is keep invoicing - kick back and relax and be thankful you dont have to do any actual work.
And you're right, changes get bounced for the silliest of reasons.Hang on - there is actually a place called Cheddar?? - cailin maith
Any forum is a collection of assorted weirdos, cranks and pervs - Board Game Geek
That will be a simply fab time to catch up for a beer. - Tay
Have you ever seen somebody lick the chutney spoon in an Indian Restaurant and put it back ? - CyberghoulComment
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