And The Point of Live Earth Was?

[wendigo100]

If I got a large number of people together i'm sure I could write something saying that global warming is caused by giant alien lizards with thier heat rays using the planet as a gigantic barbeque. In 1000 years they will come down and feast on our lightly toasted corpses....

[The Lone Gunman]

global warming is caused by giant alien lizards with thier heat rays using the planet as a gigantic barbeque. In 1000 years they will come down and feast on our lightly toasted corpses....

Zeity is being outed by the day, he is not going to be happy with you mate...........

[dang65]

Also Wiki is probably not the best place to start looking for in depth scientific explanations of how things work...

You started it!

And I have read the same explanation in a number of publications, and it makes sense. In fact, who is disputing that cycle? It's primary school weather lessons - hot weather > water evaporates > makes clouds > clouds rain. In hotter places there will be more water vapour in the air.

Anyway, just pointing out that the percentages of anthropogenic gases is much lower than water vapour isn't the point. It only takes small amounts to cause the problem. And we could prevent those small amounts from increasing to FUBAR levels relatively easily, but what kind of fantasy machine will remove water-vapour from the air at the kind of rate you'd need to make even the slightest impact? And how would you stop it from evaporating itself straight back up there in the completely natural cycle?

[Ardesco]

but what kind of fantasy machine will remove water-vapour from the air at the kind of rate you'd need to make even the slightest impact?

The same sort of fantasy machine that will stop us producing CO2 and Methane...

In fact, who is disputing that cycle? It's primary school weather lessons - hot weather > water evaporates > makes clouds > clouds rain. In hotter places there will be more water vapour in the air.

I have not disagreed with this, as I stated before you don't need CO2 for this to happen!! We are never going to agree because you are saying that CO2 is what caused the cycle in the first place and now it's never going to stop, whereas i'm saying anything could have caused the cycle and CO2 is a conveniant scapegoat which can be used to point the finger of blame at us.

[dang65]

The same sort of fantasy machine that will stop us producing CO2 and Methane...

That fantasy machine already exists and it only requires a very short training course to use it. It's called an "off button".

We are never going to agree because you are saying that CO2 is what caused the cycle in the first place and now it's never going to stop, whereas I'm saying anything could have caused the cycle and CO2 is a convenient scapegoat which can be used to point the finger of blame at us.

I think you'll find that most scientists are saying, "It's never going to stop, unless we stop it." Subtle difference like.

As for saying "anything could have caused the cycle"... do you think that decades of research and consensus amongst thousands of scientists have actually completely missed the real cause and just pulled greenhouse gas out of a hat? Who else is saying that except for you? Has that theory appeared in any peer reviewed publication?

[Ardesco]

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/.../reg15n2g.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/6-30-97.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Go ahead and dispute all of them as well.

[Old Greg]

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/.../reg15n2g.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/6-30-97.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Go ahead and dispute all of them as well.

Let's leave Canada Free Press out of this - the publication that brought us (full story at: http://web.archive.org/web/200508080...over071105.htm )

Cover Story
9/11 and the mob
By Judi McLeod & David Hawkins
Monday, July 11, 2005

Toronto-- In the true life stranger than fiction category, Cantor Fitzgerald Securities and its subsidiary eSpeed network are one for the books.

Cantor Fitzgerald’s New York office, on the 101st-105th floors of One World Trade Center, lost 685 employees in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks–more than any other employer. Its e-Speed electronic bond-trading network lost 125 souls.

Happily for the disciples of "Kyoto Mo" (Canadian Maurice Strong), who argues that global climate change is driven by anthropogenic gases emitted by inhabitants of the Anglosphere, a six-member eSpeed carbon-credit trading team escaped death. Their annual one-day fishing trip had to be cancelled about 8 a.m. on the fateful morning of September 11, due to alleged bad weather over the Atlantic. Can anyone confirm the weather? New York looked pretty sunny.

Hearing that the Twin Towers had been hit, the six lucky fishers hightailed it to New Jersey, to what Joseph Noviello, executive vice president said of Rochelle Park, N.J., "where we had duplicates of everything that was destroyed at our offices in the world Trade Center."

Not only did the six execs happen to have a WTC duplicate to turn to, but by napping on the floor, including one who grabbed shuteye by resting his head on an overturned coffee cup, they got an electronic trading operation up and running within two days of the tragic events. (http://web.archive.org/web/200508080...2-bcovmon.htm).

[... to end of article]

A redux conclusion: It is even possible that this is not mob related?

If this is mob, did the mob know of the impending attack on 9/11? The terrorist-piloted plane hit Cantor Fitzgerald directly–one floor below where they were located. This would be the worst possible spot because the flames would go up and engulf everything. Could this really be only sheer coincidence? No suicide jockey flying a plane for the first time coincidentally hit right where the mob knew they would hit.

What are the odds of a six-member executive team surviving the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center while almost 800 of their employees burned or jumped 103 stories to their death?

The plane had to be aimed very carefully which implies GPS and targeting not a nut flying for the first time.

Do you buy the story that they found Mohammed Atta’s suicide note and luggage, including a will but not two black boxes?

Canada Free Press did.

Not anymore.

[Old Greg]

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/.../reg15n2g.html

http://www.cato.org/dailys/6-30-97.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Go ahead and dispute all of them as well.

Cato Institute looks more serious than Canada Free Press, but it's a think tank with an agenda. It's different from a peer reviewed scientific journal.

[Ardesco]

Ok ignore the Canada Free Press one and debunk the others, although I think you will be hard pressed to find a journalist backed publication that has not talked balls at one point in time. The fact that they are quoting respected scientists leads me to belive that the article i posted is not made up tosh like the one you have posted above.


(We all know it was the US government and not the mob!!!)

[Ardesco]

Cato Institute looks more serious than Canada Free Press, but it's a think tank with an agenda. It's different from a peer reviewed scientific journal.

Most people have an agenda when it comes to global warming, to either make everybody belive it is true, or make everybody belive it is not true. The fact of the matter remains that there are a core group of well respected scientists that do not subscribe to the current "global warming is all our fault" theories, unfortunatly these people never make it into the media because they are pushing an agenda that is frowned upon rich government who are using global warming as a stick to beat us with.