Richard Dawkins

[Diver]

meaning that most of them are not honest about their intentions, irrespective of whether they themselves think that their chosen religion makes them, ahem.....chosen. I cannot account for their intellect.

Nothing at all wrong with shooting the messenger in modern society , religion or politics, the US have proven that.

People that believe in a divine presence are not Hypocrits, they are merely insecure gullible fools, convinced that a guiding hand governs all.
Not willing to accept the possibility that random events do occur or that action = reaction.
It is Gods will is the biggest getout clause in the history of mankind.
I equate it to the Neurmberg "I was just following Orders" defence.
They should all be retired to resthomes where trained guiding hands can regulate thier daily existence.
Oh! and they should all be sterilized. (Zero survival instinct. Not good for the human race)

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Interesting and valid point

[Diver]

Interesting and valid point

Whats your opinion or are you merely not up to thread domination using relevent and interesting posts

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Whats your opinion or are you merely not up to thread domination using relevent and interesting posts

Just posting tulipe to increase post count

[Diver]

Just posting tulipe to increase post count

Don't even know what my post count is!
Gonna have a look now

[Diver]

Yep eyes left for a full house!
Long way to go before I catch up to you!

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Yep eyes left for a full house!
Long way to go before I catch up to you!

DS23 is the one to watch... I noticed you were tying for a full house - interesting variation on the theme

[Diver]

DS23 is the one to watch... I noticed you were tying for a full house - interesting variation on the theme

Yeh! well some of the girls told me that you had a full house!

You can get treatment for it you know

[IR35 Avoider]

Who is to say that god doesn't exist too, but we simply cannot model it?

We can presume there is reality outside of human experience, and it's that that our current state of knowledge is a model of, and we could call that reality God if we want to give it a name, but we cannot know or say anything about it, because by definition it is outside of what we know or can know. If we say X exists but cannot even in principle say or know anything else about it, is it a concept worth worrying about, other than as a place-holder for what we don't know?

[Diver]

[QUOTE=IR35 Avoider]We can presume there is reality outside of human experience, and it's that that our current state of knowledge is a model of, and we could call that reality God if we want to give it a name, but we cannot know or say anything about it, because by definition it is outside of what we know or can know. If we say X exists but cannot even in principle say or know anything else about it, is it a concept worth worrying about, other than as a place-holder for what we don't know?:[/QUOTE]

But do you honestly believe that this is a viable concept on which to base a complete regime of belief, and zealous adherence to the doctrines dictated by this belief?