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Who - me or SASGuru or both? It's easy to lose track here in Vauxhall.Originally posted by RantorNo, you are Causus Deli
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Originally posted by Hart-flootPerhaps you might like this view on the people that run the US at the moment from today's Times if the Guardian is not to your taste...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle1934770.ece
Why we must break with the American crazies........
Bush and his Neo-Con mates have been a disaster not only for the gullible Brits but the US too.......
Reactionary tripe as well, bordering on conspiracy theory in parts, although I do like some of the Have Your Say comments.
It's very easy to get confused about who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, so I’ll say it again.
The US ABM system is an act of defence.
The US invasion of Afghanistan is an act of defence.
The US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
There is a difference between a country like China who kills political dissidents, tortures Christians and Falun Gong; a country like Russia that constantly blackmails and threatens, murders journalists and treats freedom with contempt, and the inherently weak and appeasing offspring of religious pilgrims.
Can you find anything comparable to the crimes of Eastern "progressives" in the history of free governments and Western liberal democracies?
If you can, then you say that the United States is morally comparable to these countries.
Thirty years ago any sane individual would have concurred with these views.Last edited by Nicky G; 15 June 2007, 11:37.Comment
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[QUOTE=Nicky G]The US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
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What has Iraq got to do with 11/9?The court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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[QUOTE=Bagpuss][QUOTE=Nicky G]The US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
9/11 made war against the bogeyman more acceptable to the public.
What has Iraq got to do with 11/9?Comment
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[QUOTE=wendigo100][QUOTE=Bagpuss]Originally posted by Nicky GThe US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
9/11 made war against the bogeyman more acceptable to the public.
Well I know that, you know that, but Anti communist thinks differentThe court heard Darren Upton had written a letter to Judge Sally Cahill QC saying he wasn’t “a typical inmate of prison”.
But the judge said: “That simply demonstrates your arrogance continues. You are typical. Inmates of prison are people who are dishonest. You are a thoroughly dishonestly man motivated by your own selfish greed.”Comment
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Just to pick up on these lines, Nicky. I notice you don't say Iraq was an act of defence. In my book, that makes it an act of aggression (particularly given the other circumstances around the start of the war). Remember what was said at Nuremberg about 'waging an aggressive war'?:Originally posted by Nicky GThe US ABM system is an act of defence.
The US invasion of Afghanistan is an act of defence.
The US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
"essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." (copied and pasted from wikipedia as always).
Are you suggesting a link between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq other than that the US reacted to 9/11 by invading?
Incidentally, I agree with parts of the rest of your post about US / China in that I know I'd rather be a citizen of the US than of China. But it's what the US does abroad that bothers me. And 30 years ago, people might be remembering Vietnam, Chile and various other US interventions to support 'freedom'.Comment
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[QUOTE=wendigo100][QUOTE=Bagpuss]Originally posted by Nicky GThe US invasion of Iraq is a reaction against 9/11, not about oil.
9/11 made war against the bogeyman more acceptable to the public.
Isn't the bogeym,an anyone who disagrees with Bush?Comment
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I was speaking more broadly. There are shaky links between Iraq and 9/11; meetings between Mohamed Atta and Iraqi intelligence officers in Prague and claims of an Atta trip to Iraq before the terror attacks. However, there are much stronger sources that show that Saddam was intent on building chemical and nuclear weapons. Whatever he had was moved to Syria by Russian special forces in the week before the war.Are you suggesting a link between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq other than that the US reacted to 9/11 by invading?
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There would have been few US interventions had it not been for Russia's aggressive attempt to export its failed cult around the world.And 30 years ago, people might be remembering Vietnam, Chile and various other US interventions to support 'freedom'.
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Well said, although the rather witty post you attribute to me is the work of Old Greg
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