fascist united states

[sasguru]

One of the problems with Guantanamo (not to mention the darker oubliettes the CIA have scattered over the world) is that it unilaterally creates a new legal category of person.

If someone if suspected of an offence, then put them on trial. It was good enough for WWII Nazi and Japanese war criminals.

If they're not, then treat them as PoWs under the Geneva convention.

If you want to see this new category created (and the argument you sometimes see is that this is a new unprecedented type of conflict which requires this response), where people not convicted of a crime have no rights, then God help your old comrades in uniform when they're captured, stuffed into an orange boiler suit and tortured.

That's cruel, torturing his few plankton-like brain cells.
SB is like on overgrown puppy, he just likes to play a bit and fetch sticks.

[Mailman]

If someone if suspected of an offence, then put them on trial. It was good enough for WWII Nazi and Japanese war criminals.

You should probably do a bit of reading about these trials before you hold them up as an example of justice!

If they're not, then treat them as PoWs under the Geneva convention.

Since these scum neither fight for an identifable country NOR wear military uniforms then f8ck em.

Then again, could you please ask them terrorist if they could wear a uniform.

Thank you LD

If you want to see this new category created (and the argument you sometimes see is that this is a new unprecedented type of conflict which requires this response), where people not convicted of a crime have no rights, then God help your old comrades in uniform when they're captured, stuffed into an orange boiler suit and tortured.

Yeah like those soldiers captured recently by terrorists in Iraq...I wonder how much "mercy" they were shown by their peace loving, liberating "insergents"?

Id probably prefer three square meals a day and a cushy and trendy orange jump suit over drill through the knee caps or having my head lopped off any day.

Mailman

[Nicky G]

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html

What is fascism: Some General ideological features:


Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties.

It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction.

To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community.

Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence.

Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence.

At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity

Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three.

It often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories.

Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government…..

Other hallmarks of fascism

Anti Intellectual
Controlled Mass Media
Pride in military might
Myth of National rebirth
Extremely authoritarian
No freedom of speech
Victim mentality
Etc etc.........


Now, can anybody say any of these things about a country that has free and fair elections, that stresses multiculturalism, that turns a blind eye to Mexican immigrants and whose government stresses that it is friends with Islam?

What did the Fuhrer Bush tell Americans to do after Sep 11th? Go out and shop.

This article is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Typical sensationalist Anti American leftist garbage, which is, when you scrape beneath the surface and look at who writes these articles, nothing more than anti capitalism given a wash and a scrub.

There is a difference to an imperfect, free society and the evil, totalitarian dictatorships under communism, Nazism, Islamic fundamentalism, but it seems these days that many idiots without an ounce of sense and logic, somehow cannot understand this.

[Stan]

woolly bleeding-heart fuzzy liberal agenda to attend to, is it?

I think that article is kind of on the extreme lefty and paranoid

Try looking at facts rather than deciding what agenda you think they have. Do you actually dispute anything that the article says, its hard to say.

They do the same things they would vilify another country for doing.

[wendigo100]

Yeah.

Right.

Especially in Florida.

Be fair, that was a bit of an exception, Florida.

And it wasn't as bad as Birmingham over here.

[Rantor]

Be fair, that was a bit of an exception, Florida.

And it wasn't as bad as Birmingham over here.

You know, that could be viewed as a pretty subjective statement

[Old Greg]

You should probably do a bit of reading about these trials before you hold them up as an example of justice!

Since these scum neither fight for an identifable country NOR wear military uniforms then f8ck em.

Then again, could you please ask them terrorist if they could wear a uniform.

Thank you LD


Yeah like those soldiers captured recently by terrorists in Iraq...I wonder how much "mercy" they were shown by their peace loving, liberating "insergents"?

Id probably prefer three square meals a day and a cushy and trendy orange jump suit over drill through the knee caps or having my head lopped off any day.

Mailman

Mailman - how do you know people are terrorists without putting them on trial? At the moment, they're picking up people and sticking them in an extra-judicial oubliette - don't forget the CIA outsourced torture centres across the world - and saying they deserve it because they're guilty but don't need a trial to prove it. How the hell does that work? There are no safeguards, and I see little difference between the behaviour of the US in this case and of those they're fighting.

Having said all that, I don't buy the central thesis of the article that US is turing into a fascist state, as they behave differently domestically from how they do abroad.

[Hart-floot]

Other hallmarks of fascism

This article is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Typical sensationalist Anti American leftist garbage, which is, when you scrape beneath the surface and look at who writes these articles, nothing more than anti capitalism given a wash and a scrub.
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Perhaps you might like this view on the people that run the US at the moment from today's Times if the Guardian is not to your taste...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle1934770.ece

Why we must break with the American crazies........

Bush and his Neo-Con mates have been a disaster not only for the gullible Brits but the US too. The Chinese must be laughing into their DimSum Hopefully Brown & Cameron have seen the light and our attituce to America will change from one of sub-servience to being openly critical

[Euro-commuter]

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs sasguru. Best you leave the tough decisions in life to those who, unlike you, don't sit down to p1ss.

What if we'd rather have eggs than omelettes?

Then you get more exploding tube trains and buses.

Far far too simplistic. We face a threat, oops, better do away with some of those liberties and protections that we might be able to afford in better times, that'll fix it.

Wrong! OK, I'm (deliberately) being simplistic too: but to eliminate liberties that go back to Magna Carta (or the Declaration of Arbroath if you prefer) simply to make security easier, is to jettison some of the most precious things, grown slowly and hardly over centuries, that are best about this country.

Do you not believe that our free and open society is both worthwhile and the stronger for being so?

I can not do better than quote two great Americans, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson:

"Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

[sasguru]

Far far too simplistic. We face a threat, oops, better do away with some of those liberties and protections that we might be able to afford in better times, that'll fix it.

Wrong! OK, I'm (deliberately) being simplistic too: but to eliminate liberties that go back to Magna Carta (or the Declaration of Arbroath if you prefer) simply to make security easier, is to jettison some of the most precious things, grown slowly and hardly over centuries, that are best about this country.

Do you not believe that our free and open society is both worthwhile and the stronger for being so?

I can not do better than quote two great Americans, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson:

"Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

Well said, although the rather witty post you attribute to me is the work of Old Greg