Do you currently,or would you ever own a 4x4

[milanbenes]

'I beg to differ, they all stop, start and handle better on roads than the equivalent off roaders ',


I am sorry Jedi, no matter how great a Jedi Knight you may be, such a unsupported sweeping generalisations carries now weight in a discussion like this.

Furthermore, the high benefit is not about superiority it's about being able to plan ahead and anticipate through being able to see what the car infront of the car infront of you is doing.

Superiority may be a benefit too, I am sure the 4x4 owners here will confirm how oncoming motorists are less inclined to attempt more risky manouvres when they see you coing down the road.

All the best,

Milan.

[DimPrawn]

If everyone drives a giant 4x4, what next? We all jump into military armoured vehicles to "protect" our children against other drivers? It's like the arms race all over again.

I blame all the safety gear (abs, airbags, stability control, etc) removing all skill from driving and making people feel invincible on the roads and hence drive like cnuts.

[BrilloPad]

thanks for your stats Jedi,

let's try something what if you replaced all the school run 4x4's with similarly priced saloon cars, Mercedes S, BMW 7, Audi 8 etc

I reckon the collision stats would be the same, it's the drivers, not the vehicles !

Milan.

some truth in this - but 4x4 make drivers feel invinsible.

[ASB]

If everyone drives a giant 4x4, what next? We all jump into military armoured vehicles to "protect" our children against other drivers? It's like the arms race all over again.

I blame all the safety gear (abs, airbags, stability control, etc) removing all skill from driving and making people feel invincible on the roads and hence drive like cnuts.

Somebody once said the safest car on the road would be built from egg boxes and have a big spike in the middle of the steering wheel.

There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that improving safety features worsen driving standards. Allegedly it's a mental thing to do with an acceptable level of risk. In any event the upshot of it seems to be that it increases the severity of accidents when they occurs due to vehicles travelling faster etc.

[Numptycorner]

If they want to make cars safe then limit them to whatever the speed limit is, as Oscar Goldman once said...we have the technology

[gingerjedi]

'I beg to differ, they all stop, start and handle better on roads than the equivalent off roaders ',


I am sorry Jedi, no matter how great a Jedi Knight you may be, such a unsupported sweeping generalisations carries now weight in a discussion like this.

Furthermore, the high benefit is not about superiority it's about being able to plan ahead and anticipate through being able to see what the car infront of the car infront of you is doing.

Superiority may be a benefit too, I am sure the 4x4 owners here will confirm how oncoming motorists are less inclined to attempt more risky manouvres when they see you coing down the road.

All the best,

Milan.

Physics dictate that a large top heavy vehicle needs more effort to move, more effort to stop and they are inherently less stable, that’s why large lorries have restrictions.

The height advantage is great on country roads where being able to see over hedgerows is handy but not outside schools or in any urban environment for that matter.

And your remark about intimidating other road user proves my point entirely.

[milanbenes]

would you please kindly stop twisting my words to support your argument,

I did not say...

'And your remark about intimidating other road user proves my point entirely.',


I said, the presence of a 4x4 has been known to discourage oncoming motorists from attempting to perform riskier manouvres which they may have been more confident to attempt at the risk of everybody should the oncoming vehicle be smaller

Milan.

[BrilloPad]

If they want to make cars safe then limit them to whatever the speed limit is, as Oscar Goldman once said...we have the technology

Of course that is fine until you need speed to get you out of a tight spot. Is there a way of allowing for this?

And I am no fan of cars - I get sick of 4x4's trying to run down my girlfriend and children while walking to school. We are almost the furthest from school - why do all these people feel the need to take a car on a 400 yard journey when there is no parking near the school? Any way of stopping them?

[sasguru]

4x4 drivers in the City are selfish w ankers.
End of discussion

[milanbenes]

sas,

and a BMW 7 or such vehicle is not ?

Milan.