BBC Have your Say - paedophiles

[Old Greg]

Capital punishment is always done as painlessly as possible. lethal injection where you fall assleep and die, hanging where your neck snaps instantly so no pain, or the worst will be guilotine where you may have half a second of seeing your head fall off your body until the oxygen supply to the brain runs out.

Generally speaking capital punishment is as painless as possible.

I can't really see us going down the route of drawn and quartered any more in this PC world. If you want them to suffer the only way for it to happen is make them suffer mentally in prison.

Yes - it's obviously political correctness gone mad. Can't even hang, draw and quarter anyone any more.

[Ardesco]

Yes - it's obviously political correctness gone mad. Can't even hang, draw and quarter anyone any more.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to advocate hanging, drawing, or quartering. just trying to point out that if suffering is the ultimate objective this is the only way you will get it. I personally don't belive in Capital punishment, however I do belive that prison should be more of a punishment and we shouldn't be worrying about prisoners "Human Rights". They didn't worry about thier victums human rights and they should be given a tiny cell, a wooden bed with no matress and a tin in the corner to tulip in.

[Old Greg]

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to advocate hanging, drawing, or quartering. just trying to point out that if suffering is the ultimate objective this is the only way you will get it. I personally don't belive in Capital punishment, however I do belive that prison should be more of a punishment and we shouldn't be worrying about prisoners "Human Rights". They didn't worry about thier victums human rights and they should be given a tiny cell, a wooden bed with no matress and a tin in the corner to tulip in.

But I think you inevitably worry about some rights:

If a prisoner is badly beaten by another prisoner, or warders, and you allow that prisoner to make a complaint with a view to a criminal case against the attackers, then you've allowed that prisoner human rights.

If you've disallowed a prisoner the right to vote in election, you've denied a right.

Most people (in society, I mean, not in this moral cesspit) would, I reckon, go along with those 2 points above. And somewhere in between, you get to a list of all those rights that are allowed, not allowed or curtailed.

[Ardesco]

Well there have to be limits otherwise the whole prison system would be in anarchy, but I see no reason why prisoners should have a comfy life and access to TV/Internet/Pool tables/games/etc.


IMHO prison is now becoming a holiday camp where you can learn more tricks of the trade. Seomthing that is a long way away from its original objectives!!!

[The Lone Gunman]

Well there have to be limits otherwise the whole prison system would be in anarchy, but I see no reason why prisoners should have a comfy life and access to TV/Internet/Pool tables/games/etc.


IMHO prison is now becoming a holiday camp where you can learn more tricks of the trade. Seomthing that is a long way away from its original objectives!!!

Try getting sent to one and then tell me it is a holiday camp.

[Old Greg]

Well there have to be limits otherwise the whole prison system would be in anarchy, but I see no reason why prisoners should have a comfy life and access to TV/Internet/Pool tables/games/etc.


IMHO prison is now becoming a holiday camp where you can learn more tricks of the trade. Seomthing that is a long way away from its original objectives!!!

And the limits are what need to be defined.

I would like to see a prison system that when it soes release people, erleses tham with some kind of social and practical skills that mean they can live and earn a living in society. Don't know how, though.

[Ardesco]

And the limits are what need to be defined.

I would like to see a prison system that when it soes release people, erleses tham with some kind of social and practical skills that mean they can live and earn a living in society. Don't know how, though.

All well and good, but they also need to be made to fear prison so that they stay on the straight and narrow and don't want to go back in. The trick is getting the balance right where they fear going back, and are also given the skills required to integrate into society again.

In my opinion we have gone too far to the skills side and need to push it back towards the fear side to balance it off again.

[pisces]

Then they could/should be locked away simply for that reason!!!!!! Isn't that what secure mental facilities are for?

Get real

Do you not think mentally ill people are entitled to help?

Cut the attitude please.

[The Lone Gunman]

And the limits are what need to be defined.

I would like to see a prison system that when it soes release people, erleses tham with some kind of social and practical skills that mean they can live and earn a living in society. Don't know how, though.

One of the problems we have is because the prison system is expected to cover two seperate issues. Retribution and rehabilitation. It is almost impossible to fullfil both agenda.
The whole system needs tearing apart and restarting.
Some offenders are well past being rehabilitated, but share a prison system with the young and vulnerable who might one day contribute to society.

I have a huge piece to write here and no time to do it.

Our prisons only operate with the cooperation of the inmates.

[Old Greg]

All well and good, but they also need to be made to fear prison so that they stay on the straight and narrow and don't want to go back in. The trick is getting the balance right where they fear going back, and are also given the skills required to integrate into society again.

In my opinion we have gone too far to the skills side and need to push it back towards the fear side to balance it off again.

I don't see how we've one too far with the skills side, when people are leaving with no skills - I assume it's being badly done. People with a criminal history and no skills to live in society are going to end up back in prison, and I don't think fear of how bad it is is going to stop them. The old style brutal borstals, short sharp shock and all manner of harsh eregimes don't seem to have any effect on recidivism (although I have no evidence to back that up and would be interested if anyone has any one way or another. So make it harsh (particularly if it's Paris Hilton), but don't expect it will stop people going back.