Originally posted by Vito
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Originally posted by timhBlimey, didn't expect this to be controversial.The pope is a tard.Comment
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Originally posted by TheRightStuffNot defined in hrs on the contract - which is good.
How many hrs would you say a professional working day is.
7 or 8 hrs?
Depends on who ur working for
Private Sector - 8 +
Public Sector - 7.2 or less.
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Originally posted by VitoWhen I was a Permie recruiting contractors I used to always try and get them to do a fixed price contract...I don't understand IT so I always wanted a price for an end deliverable...this used to cost me a little more as there is a shared risk element ina fixed price contract...but that was always fine with me.
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It does of course depend on the kind of work you do and also how confident you are of your estimates (and how well defined a piece of work is)...but this is surely the way we would all prefer to work and you would never have to worry about paying for IR35 insurance again!
And I agree, it would totally kill off any IR35 issues! I have considered invoicing for single 3 month contracts in one go (at the end) once I have a warchest stocked up from that point of view. Not as good as fixed-price, though, by a long shot.Comment
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My experience is that Agents don't like or promote this approach...they need the extensions and how much effort the contractor has to put in is no concern of theirs.
Its like anything...sell the benefits and if it really is beneficial to all concerned parties then it will happen. But the well defined spec is tough and often a showstopper.Property advisor for the peopleComment
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Originally posted by VitoMy experience is that Agents don't like or promote this approach...they need the extensions and how much effort the contractor has to put in is no concern of theirs.
Its like anything...sell the benefits and if it really is beneficial to all concerned parties then it will happen. But the well defined spec is tough and often a showstopper.Comment
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I managed to do the fixed price thing on a short term project (1 month). This was continuing on from a traditional contract with the same client so there was a degree of trust. We had an outline and a prototype that we agreed to, but no proper spec, so yes there was a large element of risk there.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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I've done tons of fixed-price in the past. Even with a well-defined spec signed off, things have a tendency to become difficult with the client as scope creep enters the equation, as it inevitably does.
Generally speaking, clients don't understand what they want until they actually see it in action - they simply don't tend to have the mindset (or the desire) to make sense of a written description of the functionality.
With any fixed price contract, it's probably wise to say something to the client along the lines of "With the knowledge I have now, I anticipate the work will cost £15000, but you need to be prepared to spend £20000 in the event of any unforeseen circumstances". This will at least cover you in the event of a reasonable degree of creep - but it's always worth bearing in mind the small percentage of clients who are intent on taking the p*ss.Comment
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Back to the original question of "how long is a professional day"
in my experience its depended on who's point of view.
The individual will say anything between 7.5-9 hrs, but the client will normally say "as long as it takes", with a silent (minimum 8hrs) thrown in.
for me this raises the question of what is "professional", I am sure we would all say its delivering what the client has asked for, but the client would say its delivering what they want (which as the threads above prove isn't necessarily what they asked for, skilled up for or even are willing to pay for, or infact what they need !)Comment
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Originally posted by OrangutanBack to the original question of "how long is a professional day"
in my experience its depended on who's point of view.
The individual will say anything between 7.5-9 hrs, but the client will normally say "as long as it takes", with a silent (minimum 8hrs) thrown in.
for me this raises the question of what is "professional", I am sure we would all say its delivering what the client has asked for, but the client would say its delivering what they want (which as the threads above prove isn't necessarily what they asked for, skilled up for or even are willing to pay for, or infact what they need !)God made men. Sam Colt made them equal.Comment
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