Ultimate cuk disgusted of Tunbridge Wells thread

[SallyAnne]

Same sex couples can't have children, naturally.

Same sex couples can't have children naturally.

Loads of couples can't have children "naturally" .IVF treatment is growing by a stupid amount every year.

Should those people not be allowed to have kids either?

Would you honestly rather see a kid in the foster system than living in a happy home with 2 gay parents?

[Churchill]

Loads of couples can't have children "naturally" .IVF treatment is growing by a stupid amount every year.

Should those people not be allowed to have kids either?

Would you honestly rather see a kid in the foster system than living in a happy home with 2 gay parents?

SallyAnne, I was offering an in-context English lesson, not a lesson in Biology.

[SallyAnne]

SallyAnne, I was offering an in-context English lesson, not a lesson in Biology.

Ah go on man - offer me a biology lesson.

You know you want to

[The Lone Gunman]

I'm confused by how you seem to define homophobia. I don't think homesexuality is natural or "normal". I can't really understand male-male sexual realations. By your definition I would appear to fit into the category of homophobe. I don't believe that to be the case.

My lack of understanding doesn't prevent me from accepting that there are gay people, it doesn't mean I'm frightened by them, intolerant of them or prejudicial towards them.

Your lack of understanding is fine, I don't understand being gay either. I have had some long and deep conversations with soem gay friends and I still don't understand it. I can not for the life of me understand how a man can be attracted to another man. My gay friends don't understand how a man can not be attracted to another man. They do understand the biological imperative of opposite sex attraction, though they say they do not feel it.
Not understanding is not wrong, there are no though police.
That does not make you homophobic.

As for tolerance and prejudice, possibly even your fear, that may be a different matter.
Have you posted that these books/characters are wrong? If you have then you have a certain prejudice, possibly balanced by tolerance, possibly based on fear.
Let me give you an alternative by which to measure.
I am stating that being gay is a natural occurance, not a choice so don't argue that on at the moment.
If I said "I know black people exist, but I don't want my kids reading about them in books" you would imediately understand that as a racist comment.
When you (or the other posters) replaced black with gay you clearly showed homophobia to me.

If being gay was as widely accepted as has been stated here then there would be no issue with these books.

[Churchill]

Ah go on man - offer me a biology lesson.

You know you want to

I think that's where choice comes in darling...

As for choice, yes, I could choose to have homosexual sex if I wanted. Just as I can choose to have heterosexual sex.

Are you seriously trying to say that homosexuality is like the difference between "men" and "women"? That there is a third type, that of "Homosexual"?

Bollocks, it's a lifestyle choice.

[Bagpuss]

I'd like to suggest that the whole point behind what is really going on is the gay movement having had the prejudice, discrimination,illegality and stigma surrounding homosexuality removed, now need to move it on to become accepted as 'normal' ;but by definition 'normal' can only apply to one state, one notion, one truth ( normal to individuals does not count btw) thus anything other than this would be classed as abnormal.

Since the majority of people in this country practice hetrosexual relationships and can therefore be considered the norm, the way forward for the gays is to undermine that model by suggesting alternatives are equally valid and of equal worth meaning two normals (or is it three with lesbians?)which is patent nonsense.

Governments (especially this one) try to accomodate the gay lobby groups by allowing what is an obvious indoctrination of impressionable young minds in order to avoid charges of discriminatory practice.

Children pick up clues about acceptable behaviour from hearing fairy stories or books being read to them- to hear more than one 'norm' being portrayed can only be confusing and ultimately is an insult to the majority of hetrosexual parents (i.e. the ones who have the children) who have their way of life demeaned and diluted if an alternative is presented as of equal worth.

In short you should tolerate homosexuality but never promote it

That's the whole point. The people behind the introduction of these books have a political agenda. Why should our children be used like this? just to satify someones twisted perception of how life should be.

[SallyAnne]

I think that's where choice comes in darling...

As for choice, yes, I could choose to have homosexual sex if I wanted. Just as I can choose to have heterosexual sex.

Are you seriously trying to say that homosexuality is like the difference between "men" and "women"? That there is a third type, that of "Homosexual"?

I have't got a clue what you're on about in that last sentence Churchy.

If you could have sex with a man, then you're possibly Bisexual. I dont mean that in a childish "you're a gay" way - I just mean I couldn't physically have sex with another woman. I'd freeze, I'd be repulsed, it would feel like rape. Honestly, it just would just feel horribly, horribly wrong. That's why I dont think it's a choice for me to be gay or straight.

One of my gay female mates (who's always trying to get me to turn ) says exactly the same thing for her (but the other way round). She'd be physically repulsed being with a bloke). So for her it's not a choice either.
My mate Patrick (who is not such much gay as a raging queen!) has been with women in his youth, but says he always knew he was gay, he just didn't have to guts to come out. I can understand why you would see this as him making a "life style" choice to be gay. He "could" have kept on shagging lasses. But what you dont seem to care about is that he would have been miserable and unfullfilled his entire life if he'd kept doing that.
That for me, isn't a "choice" either.

[Bagpuss]

He didn't decide to be gay he just woke up and found a man in his bed

[The Lone Gunman]

That for me, isn't a "choice" either.

Apparently Sal you and I are the only ones in this conversation who are straight.
It would appear that the rest of them have homosexual feelings but choose to ignore them and infact have learned to supress them, or did I misunderstand this choice thing.

[SallyAnne]

Apparently Sal you and I are the only ones in this conversation who are straight.
It would appear that the rest of them have homosexual feelings but choose to ignore them and infact have learned to supress them, or did I misunderstand this choice thing.

I'm not missing the irony