Biting the hands that feed them?

**AtW** · 2 March 2007, 12:59

If delta of 1-2% in annual payraise makes the difference to any given person then this person should find job in a field that will provide for much higher salary in the first place - if you don't have enough money you need to look for radical solutions rather than huggle over fractions of a percent on a very small amount anyway.

Saving money is one of those ways to increase effective disposable income: less drinks, no smokes, use bike rather than car - in all these cases it will be Brown who will lose out in terms of money.

**SallyAnne** · 2 March 2007, 13:02

I'll be the first person to say that nurses should be paid much better wages. I couldn't do there job (or more honestly, wouldn't).

BUT - we have to many now. Newly qualified nurses can't get jobs.

So what's Gorgo's incentive for increasing their salary any further?

**AtW** · 2 March 2007, 13:05

New nurses can't get jobs because of debt crisis - NHS frozen recruitment and fires people... because Gordon overspent on crappy PFI deals.

**Bright Spark** · 2 March 2007, 14:32

strategy seems to be cut wages so people leave, then import a load of foreign workers to work at even lower rates.

local hospital where I live is now 90% staffed mainly by polish and thai nurses.

**wendigo100** · 2 March 2007, 16:29

Originally posted by John Galt

Nurses to get 1.9% payrise

An insult IMHO but 'fair' according to Gordo - comments from the House?

I've been listening to Labour politicians on the radio telling us it is really, in fact, 4.5%.

I didn't follow the argument myself, but they were quite insistent.

**foritisme** · 2 March 2007, 19:17

Labour turning Labour voters against Labour......works for me

**IR35 Avoider** · 2 March 2007, 19:34

Originally posted by wendigo100

I've been listening to Labour politicians on the radio telling us it is really, in fact, 4.5%.

I didn't follow the argument myself, but they were quite insistent.

They are saying that on average they will be earning 4.5% more, once extra pay due to promotions or increased qualifications are taken into account.

In other words they are trying to double-count the extra money that promotions/qualifications bring; count it once as a reward for the promotion/qualification and count it again as part of an annual pay rise.

In yet more words; they are lying. And if more than one of them has been saying it, it's a deliberate systematic lie organised by spin-doctor central.

Actually, it's to clever a lie to have been thought up on the spot, so it clearly is cynical premeditated deception.

**AtW** · 2 March 2007, 19:36

Originally posted by IR35 Avoider

it's a deliberate systematic lie organised by spin-doctor central.

It's called politics.

HTH

**gordonbrown** · 2 March 2007, 19:40

Let me be clear.

The nurses will indeed receive nearly five percent more, which is nearly three percentage points about inflation. They should be very pleased with that.

And yet I have restrained their pay increase to within the budget of 1.9 percent, as a prudent Chancellor would, reassuring the taxpayer.

Biting the hands that feed them?