About feckin time

[vetran]

I rather suspect that occasional first cousin marriage is one thing, doing it for N generations is something quite different from a recessive gene perspective.

But hey, all those Septic Trump voting hillbillies just can't be wrong. .

Well as they have been doing inbreeding to keep wealth in one family for centuries inbreeding to have a spouse for a visa rather puts the cherry on top of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102

The study's authors said it was the largest of its kind ever conducted and the first to include significant numbers of people in both consanguineous and non-consanguineous groups.

The study included 43 different ethnicities but the largest ethnic groups were Pakistani (45%) and white British (just under 40%).

Of 5,127 babies of Pakistani origin, 37% had married parents who were first cousins, compared to less than 1% of married couples nationally.

It is estimated that, worldwide, more than a billion people live in communities where marriage between blood relatives is commonplace.

Last year, the BiB project found cousins getting married was becoming more common, external among British-born Pakistanis in Bradford than a generation ago.

Aisha Ali Khan, from the city, is healthy but four of her siblings were born disabled as the result of a particular gene carried by both her parents, who are cousins.

[Gibbon]

An article in the DT seems sensible. While this may be a bit of a problem, not sure if it's worth the cost or hastle of enforcing it. There are better priorities.

The cost is huge, my wife works in Adult Social care and there are a lot more than the demographic would suggest of South Asians with profound learning and physical disabilities, their care packages run into 100K+ each per annum. One family had 5 son's all with this awful condition. When the parents realised how much they would get in support they took them back home from residential care. The son's had to be rescued as they were all tied up in the cellar.

Also it was reported on BBC Politics North a few weeks ago that Bradford Council (not my Wife's council) spends 85% of its budget on Adult and Child social care.

[vetran]

Yes it has been known about for decades but no-one will mention it because of the sensitivity. We do however have a high percentage of whites suffering a nice blanket law would cover both. It does seem soft power is slowly working.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ins-study.html

Cousin relationships are no longer a 'majority' in Bradford's female Pakistani community amid rising awareness of the birth defect risks.

A decade ago, a Government-funded surveillance project found that 62 per cent of Pakistani heritage women were in consanguineous relationships.

This figure has since dropped to 46 per cent, researchers say.

Birmingham also has a large Pakistani community, with up to 40 per cent of people being of that ethnicity in parts of the city.

Cousin marriage was once common among Britain's upper classes.

Historically it was seen as a way of firming up alliances and keeping wealth and land in the family.

Despite falling out of fashion, the practice is still common in some communities, such as travellers.

[Gibbon]

Marriage (Prohibited Degrees of Relationship) Bill - Hansard - UK Parliament

Well we have Christianity to thank apparently for why its not generally carried out in the majority...

I beg to move,



That leave be given to bring in a Bill to prohibit the marriage of first cousins; and for connected purposes.



Members across the House may wonder why first-cousin marriage is not already illegal. In fact, many in this House and in the country may already believe that it is. That is understandable, because as early as the middle of the fifth century in England, the Church practised the Roman doctrine on first-cousin marriage, which was clarified by the first Archbishop of Canterbury in the early eighth century, after he received a letter from Pope Gregory I. The letter cited Leviticus 18:6, which states that sacred law forbids a man to uncover the nakedness of his near kin. Throughout the centuries that followed, this canon law forbidding first-cousin marriage remained the norm, and by the 11th century it extended to sixth cousins.



This 1,000-year tradition of first-cousin marriage being illegal was continued until 1540, when King Henry VIII broke with Rome and legalised marriage between first cousins so that he could marry Catherine Howard, his fifth wife and a cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn. Sadly, both Catherine and Anne ended up facing a swift end at the block. However, the law pertaining to first-cousin marriage has been more enduring, remaining unchanged ever since.



Today, according to the Oxford Journal of Law and Religion, cousin marriage is practised by about 10% of the world and is most prevalent in the middle east, west Asia and north Africa. However, the practice varies enormously within countries and by regional culture, reaching at its highest over 80% in parts of rural Pakistan. By contrast, in China and western countries it is less than 1%.



Patrick Nash, a visiting fellow at Oxford University’s faculty of theology and religion, describes how a region’s history of harsh conditions, such as resource-scarce rurality, proximity to conflict zones and industrial poverty, plays a major role in developing the cultures that practise first-cousin marriage. He argues that cousin marriage was at one time biologically beneficial for the survival of mankind, when times were especially hard and inhospitable. However, this does not carry forward into modern living conditions in our post-industrial age, where genetic and degenerative diseases are among the most severe threats to public health.

[vetran]

Marriage (Prohibited Degrees of Relationship) Bill - Hansard - UK Parliament

Well we have Christianity to thank apparently for why its not generally carried out in the majority...

I beg to move,



That leave be given to bring in a Bill to prohibit the marriage of first cousins; and for connected purposes.



Members across the House may wonder why first-cousin marriage is not already illegal. In fact, many in this House and in the country may already believe that it is. That is understandable, because as early as the middle of the fifth century in England, the Church practised the Roman doctrine on first-cousin marriage, which was clarified by the first Archbishop of Canterbury in the early eighth century, after he received a letter from Pope Gregory I. The letter cited Leviticus 18:6, which states that sacred law forbids a man to uncover the nakedness of his near kin. Throughout the centuries that followed, this canon law forbidding first-cousin marriage remained the norm, and by the 11th century it extended to sixth cousins.



This 1,000-year tradition of first-cousin marriage being illegal was continued until 1540, when King Henry VIII broke with Rome and legalised marriage between first cousins so that he could marry Catherine Howard, his fifth wife and a cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn. Sadly, both Catherine and Anne ended up facing a swift end at the block. However, the law pertaining to first-cousin marriage has been more enduring, remaining unchanged ever since.



Today, according to the Oxford Journal of Law and Religion, cousin marriage is practised by about 10% of the world and is most prevalent in the middle east, west Asia and north Africa. However, the practice varies enormously within countries and by regional culture, reaching at its highest over 80% in parts of rural Pakistan. By contrast, in China and western countries it is less than 1%.



Patrick Nash, a visiting fellow at Oxford University’s faculty of theology and religion, describes how a region’s history of harsh conditions, such as resource-scarce rurality, proximity to conflict zones and industrial poverty, plays a major role in developing the cultures that practise first-cousin marriage. He argues that cousin marriage was at one time biologically beneficial for the survival of mankind, when times were especially hard and inhospitable. However, this does not carry forward into modern living conditions in our post-industrial age, where genetic and degenerative diseases are among the most severe threats to public health.

oh cheers, sixth cousins that is a long way.

[xoggoth]

Inneresting posts by Gibby. May be more of a problem than we are led to believe. Another concern may be that young people are being pressured into it. Your choice of a partner is very limited if you have to choose between cousins, most of us have friendships/relationships with various people and have a wider choice.

PS Mind you, I wouldn't mind getting back in contact with my adopted cousin. We had great fun playing doctors and nurses when me aunt went shopping.

[vetran]

I'm for banning it in the UK and not recognising such marriages for the purposes of a visa in immigration. Going forward.

Seems reasonable to me.

[Zigenare]

Inneresting posts by Gibby. May be more of a problem than we are led to believe. Another concern may be that young people are being pressured into it. Your choice of a partner is very limited if you have to choose between cousins, most of us have friendships/relationships with various people and have a wider choice.

PS Mind you, I wouldn't mind getting back in contact with my adopted cousin. We had great fun playing doctors and nurses when me aunt went shopping.

The habituial inbreeding of certain sections of South Asian Society and its impact on UK health authorities has been mentioned on this forum on numerous occasions.

It ain't new!

[vetran]

The habituial inbreeding of certain sections of South Asian Society and its impact on UK health authorities has been mentioned on this forum on numerous occasions.

It ain't new!

No but MPs getting ready to talk about it is!

[Zigenare]

No but MPs getting ready to talk about it is!

I cite the following...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...d-child-deaths

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1298844/

https://www.meforum.org/islamist-watch/bradford-is-very-inbred-muslim-outrage-as

And a quote from 2011...

The problem is most serious in Bradford. A recent survey of 1,100 pregnant women in the city showed that 70 per cent have husbands who are first cousins — a higher percentage than the average of 50 per cent among Pakistanis across the whole of Britain.

Ann Cryer (A former Labour MP for Keighley) had quite a lot to say about the situation back in the day.