'5 ways to save the world' BBC2 (last night)

[Bagpuss]

Has anyone explained the medieval and Roman-era warm periods?

Increasingly, the answer appears to be "no"

How does that disprove the current increasing rate of global warming?

[sasguru]

Has anyone explained the medieval and Roman-era warm periods?

Increasingly, the answer appears to be "no"

I refer you to the the links above. I can't spoon feed you the answers - you wouldn't believe me anyway. Why not do some research before posting?

[jh0711]

lots more people exhaling warm gases
lots more PC's with hot processors

use your head of course the earth is going to warm up.....

maybe

population double every 70 years (i think)

current 6 billion - in 70 years it will be 12 billion

the earth they say cannot support more than 20 billion (no idea who comes up with these figure or what they base it on but...)

so to save the planet it is simple

stop dirty chavs breeding

then we can all drive big gaz guzzling cars

[sasguru]

How to Look at ‘Global Warming’
A very important thing to understand in interpreting all the swill that issues daily from the Global Warming mill (really the anti-industry, anti-population lobby, headed and pumped with money by the Royal Consort Prince Philip, and former Nazi Party member Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands), is that the onset of an Ice Age is not marked by global cooling. In fact, the very same astronomical conditions which cause a cooling at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere, produce the opposite effect in the Southern Hemisphere, where there is much more ocean to absorb and retain the incoming solar radiation. Thus the global average temperature does not tell us anything of importance.

The geological requirements for an Ice Age are the presence of a large landmass around the Polar Circle and extending southward. A look at the globe, or world map, shows that those conditions exist in the Northern Hemisphere, but not in the Southern. Therefore, the important thing to look at is the climate conditions in northern and far northern regions. Some of the indicators:

• Since 1980, there has been an advance of more than 55% of the 625 mountain glaciers under observation by the World Glacier Monitoring group in Zurich. (From 1926 to 1960, some 70-95% of these glaciers were in retreat.)

• A comparison of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s 1965 and 1990 Plant Hardiness Zone Maps, shows a southward change of one zone, or 10°F, between 1965 and 1990.

• Careful measurements of the oxygen isotope ratios in German oaks, which are rigorously calibrated to temperature data, show a 1°C temperature decline from 1350 to 1800 (the lowpoint of the Little Ice Age). Temperature thereafter increased by 1°C from 1800 to 1930, and has been declining since then.

• From weather stations in the Alps, and in the Nordic countries, we find the temperature decline since 1930 is also 1°C.

• Satellite measurements have shown growth in the height and breadth of the huge Greenland ice sheet, the largest in the Northern Hemisphere

Ah yes, a quote from the crankpot magazine that used to be called Fusion. I remember these guys from a long time ago.
Why do the sceptics always have such dodgy backup? DP posted some "evidence" from a foundation sponsored by Exxon-Mobil FFS.

[The Lone Gunman]

Ah yes, a quote from the crankpot magazine that used to be called Fusion. I remember these guys from a long time ago.
Why do the sceptics always have such dodgy backup? DP posted some "evidence" from a foundation sponsored by Exxon-Mobil FFS.

Just so I am sure.
All the evidence that agrees with you comes from proper science and all that which opposes you is sponsored by the devil? Sorry what did you say about chico?

What if Exxon actualy wanted the truth whhhhhoooooaaaaaa scary.

[DimPrawn]

There goes my plan D to make money from Carbon offsetting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6378471.stm

The current trend for "offsetting" carbon emissions by planting trees is doing more harm to the environment than good, MPs have been told.
The public is being "seriously misled" by companies peddling carbon offset schemes, campaigner Jutta Kill told the environmental audit committee.

The schemes did not reduce emissions and simply gave industry a "licence to pollute" elsewhere, she argued.

People should give money directly to climate charities instead, she said.

Among other issues, it is looking at whether there should be more robust legislation of the carbon offset market, including a compulsory accreditation scheme. (Feck me, New Lie and more legislation - there's a surprise ).

Right. Time to setup a Carbon charity.

He who dares Rodney, he who dares.

[Gonzo]

There goes my plan D to make money from Carbon offsetting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6378471.stm

The current trend for "offsetting" carbon emissions by planting trees is doing more harm to the environment than good, MPs have been told.
The public is being "seriously misled" by companies peddling carbon offset schemes, campaigner Jutta Kill told the environmental audit committee.

The schemes did not reduce emissions and simply gave industry a "licence to pollute" elsewhere, she argued.

People should give money directly to climate charities instead, she said.

Among other issues, it is looking at whether there should be more robust legislation of the carbon offset market, including a compulsory accreditation scheme. (Feck me, New Lie and more legislation - there's a surprise ).

Right. Time to setup a Carbon charity.

He who dares Rodney, he who dares.

Later in the article

In addition, "More than half" of the money given to companies selling carbon offsets went on research and administration costs, "benefiting not the climate but the burgeoning consultancy industry".

Sounds like it was more like Plan A than Plan D

[DimPrawn]

Oh Dear - Ban the lightbulb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/6378161.stm

Australia has announced plans to ban incandescent light bulbs and replace them with more energy efficient fluorescent bulbs.
The environment minister said the move could cut the country's greenhouse gas emissions by 4 million tonnes by 2012.

"It's a little thing but it's a massive change," Malcolm Turnbull said.

The decision will make Australia the first country to ban the light bulbs, although the idea has also been proposed in the US state of California.


Back to the caves everyone!

A small point. Incandescent bulbs generate a lot of heat. If you replace them in your home, you will have to turn up your heating to compensate, burning more fuel, so what's the point?

[Dalek Supreme]

Can somebody please tell me if those historic warm periods have been explained? Without insults or links to multi-hundred page documents please.

We Daleks are very simple creatures so just "no" or "yes, it was because of <insert one line explanation>" will do.

Thanks in advance.

[DimPrawn]

Yes the historic warm periods never existed. The fact that Vikings, Romans and the like said it was lovely and warm was all lies. They were told to write it by Exxon.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../medieval.html
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/13/221054/33