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[SueEllen]

Not really. He actually tries to do stuff to effect change rather than whinging about it. Far more respect for LH than the Woke Brigade, I don't agree with all his views but that's immaterial. He understands the position he's in and the responsibility that comes with it.

Woke as in "alert to injustice in society, especially racism" not in the right of centre rag meaning.

[d000hg]

Woke as in "alert to injustice in society, especially racism" not in the right of centre rag meaning.

I've never met anyone who describes themselves as woke who actually DOES anything about it, other than have animated conversations in Starbucks.

[AtW]

Woke as in "alert to injustice in society, especially racism" not in the right of centre rag meaning.

Woke as in cynically exploiting that topic for his personal benefit.

[SueEllen]

Woke as in cynically exploiting that topic for his personal benefit.

Hamilton doesn't need to.

He's in the history books anyway.

[d000hg]

Hamilton doesn't need to.

He's in the history books anyway.

AtW is just thinking that's what he'd do. Anyone who follows F1 knows Hamilton wears his heart on his sleeve - for better or worse.
The thing I find more remarkable is he's able to do all this stuff and still operate at the very top level as a sportsman.

[AtW]

Hamilton doesn't need to. He's in the history books anyway.

He did not need to go to Switzerland in order to reduce his taxes (he was earning enough surely), yet he did it.

[d000hg]

He did not need to go to Switzerland in order to reduce his taxes (he was earning enough surely), yet he did it.

Do us a favour and go back to Russia.

[SueEllen]

d000hg stop it!

[d000hg]

Reading the actual story, it seems that Kingspan are not actually to blame for Grenfell. Their products just happened to be used there and were not responsible for the fire? If so then this would appear to be somewhat a misleading controversy. Or is this misreported?

[ladymuck]

Reading the actual story, it seems that Kingspan are not actually to blame for Grenfell. Their products just happened to be used there and were not responsible for the fire? If so then this would appear to be somewhat a misleading controversy. Or is this misreported?

I think there's some shiftiness about their testing and product formulation that one could argue would lead a building contractor to select their product without having full access to the all the facts.

According to this
https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/king...111087.article

...
The inquiry has already heard that the version of Kingspan’s K15 insulation, which was found to have been included in the cladding system of Grenfell Tower after the fire which claimed 72 lives in June 2017, on the market was also different to what had been tested.

Kingspan had changed the chemical composition of the insulation in 2006, a year after the successful 2005 fire test which was then used in the product’s marketing literature for nearly fifteen years before the test report was withdrawn in October last year.

A 2007 fire test of the newer, changed version of K15 had turned a laboratory into a “raging inferno” which had to be extinguished before the end of the test out of fears that it would endanger the laboratory.

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