Capita receives a letter bomb

[AtW]

Why ask about information they can (and will) get hold of easily when they process the application? Answer - to see if you're a liar !

Yes, but mundane stuff like fixed penalty for speeding that you may have received 10 years ago is not exactly the kind of thing you will remember: if they want to check if you are a liar then they should use polygraph test.

[ASB]

Yes, but mundane stuff like fixed penalty for speeding that you may have received 10 years ago is not exactly the kind of thing you will remember: if they want to check if you are a liar then they should use polygraph test.

Part of Mrs ASBs work involves people who have had an extended check. The panel tends to take a fairly dim view of difference between disclosure from the individual and disclosure from the CRB. However they do recognise that because of the differing status of the types that may be issued there is a certain amount of genuine confusion. This is the mundane stuff they are prepared to concede.

A *lot* of forms now use wording to the effect of whether you should include or exclude fixed penalties.

You also mentioned insurance. They generally ask the question "have you ever been convicted of an offence ......". Here you can legitimately answer NO provided the conviction is spent under the terms of the rehabilitation of offenders act.

[AtW]

Fair enough - they must have faced having so many people declaring speed tickets that even on citizenship application they say you don't need to state it so long as you have fixed penalty rather than court decision, funny that their call center said it is best to still put them on app, so I did

IMO small scale speeding should not be a criminal offence, in fact any offence that does not carry prison sentence should be de-criminalised: lots of people use recreational drugs that are illegal, yet they have to declare speeding ticket, that ain't right

[Buffoon]

There was a bloke on the telly a couple of months ago that made an interesting point about these CRB checks and having to admit to spent offenses.

Can’t quote him but his point was: during the course of many people’s lives they make mistakes, especially when young. Most get their lives back on track. We are also expected to work longer and the government want to get more people off benefits and into work. So why are they making it more difficult to get a job? The last thing someone in his forties needs, with all the other thing acting against him, is to be turned down for not admitting to being done for drug possession as a student or a fight they got into as a youngster.

This is just more examples of stupid people getting too risk adverse. They are more worried about their own careers than any threat someone is or the effect on their lives.

[oraclesmith]

Fair enough - they must have faced having so many people declaring speed tickets

Well no actually. Someone has recently done some research that indicates that a good proportion of people who have something to list in the offenses box would actually not bother to apply for the job/contract despite being suitably qualified and otherwise suitable. There is the impression that candidates will always get rejected if there is anything to declare.

I've also seen essential requirements for 'clean driving license' even though the job is desk based and doesn't involve travel or a company car.

[AtW]

I've also seen essential requirements for 'clean driving license' even though the job is desk based and doesn't involve travel or a company car.

It is really a job for CPS to bring up charges for illegal discrimination of that kind - say in the USA they have local electable chaps whose job is to do just this, here obviously police are not interested in that kind of thing and CPS won't do this on their own.

[ASB]

It is really a job for CPS to bring up charges for illegal discrimination of that kind.

There is a minor flaw in that. It is not illegal discrimination. All discrimination is legal except where it is outlawed - and there is not too much of that on the statue books.