The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech jab

[WTFH]

Eh, source?

Denied source for one... AstraZeneca/Oxford Coronavirus Vaccine Trial in Brazil to Continue Following Death of Volunteer - WSJ

The claim is he was in the control group, except a few things don’t stack up on that (e.g. before the patient’s details were known, it was announced that they were in the control group)

The spinal patient may have been in Leicester Royal, but the exact details are still under investigation.

Which is why I said allegedly.

[AtW]

Where is 2nd dead and the other one with spinal cord thing?

The whole Oxford trial seems like a big mess up, it should not be up to any alternative opinions whether any specific participant was or was not in a control group, that ought to be simple yes/no situation.

I predict it will be a popular 3rd world vaccine, available in the UK very soon.

[Eirikur]

I predict it will be a popular 3rd world vaccine, available in the UK very soon.

Given the Kremlin's control over the UK it will be Sputnik-V

[darmstadt]

The Woolworths vaccine testing, what could go wrong. It's bit like after the party when you mix the dregs of the drinks together to make a potent but sickly cocktail:

A trial is likely to go ahead in January to find out whether mixing and matching Covid vaccines gives better protection than two doses of the same one, the head of the British government’s taskforce has said.

UK trial to mix and match Covid vaccines to try to improve potency | Coronavirus | The Guardian

[WTFH]

The Woolworths vaccine testing, what could go wrong. It's bit like after the party when you mix the dregs of the drinks together to make a potent but sickly cocktail:



UK trial to mix and match Covid vaccines to try to improve potency | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Which is a bit like installing two anti-virus systems on a computer... and then they start fighting each other.

[d000hg]

If we entertain fears about vaccine safety at all, we should do so analytically.

What is the risk you will get Covid without taking the vaccine?
What is the risk something serious will happen if you get Covid? (remember it's not just death, there's long Covid and also if you are hospitalised and worse, ventilated that's not something you shrug off in a couple of days)
What is the risk a vaccine will cause something bad to happen?

It seems to me that the covid risks are pretty low for most, but by no means negligible. Whereas vaccine risks are unknown but statistically likely to be lower.
e.g. anti-vaxxers may well point out there's a 1:1 million chance of the vaccine killing them, yet ignore the fact it's a 1:100,000 chance covid will. It's quite easy to get scared of potential risks to the extent you forget the definite risks.

[WTFH]

If we entertain fears about vaccine safety at all, we should do so analytically.

What is the risk you will get Covid without taking the vaccine?
What is the risk something serious will happen if you get Covid? (remember it's not just death, there's long Covid and also if you are hospitalised and worse, ventilated that's not something you shrug off in a couple of days)
What is the risk a vaccine will cause something bad to happen?

It seems to me that the covid risks are pretty low for most, but by no means negligible. Whereas vaccine risks are unknown but statistically likely to be lower.
e.g. anti-vaxxers may well point out there's a 1:1 million chance of the vaccine killing them, yet ignore the fact it's a 1:100,000 chance covid will. It's quite easy to get scared of potential risks to the extent you forget the definite risks.

Totally agree. I have no issue with getting the vaccine when it's my turn.

[Andy2]

What is the risk you will get Covid without taking the vaccine?

if you are going out and mixing with people the risks are very high as this virus is highly contagious just like common cold.

[Eirikur]

If we entertain fears about vaccine safety at all, we should do so analytically.

What is the risk you will get Covid without taking the vaccine?
What is the risk something serious will happen if you get Covid? (remember it's not just death, there's long Covid and also if you are hospitalised and worse, ventilated that's not something you shrug off in a couple of days)
What is the risk a vaccine will cause something bad to happen?

It seems to me that the covid risks are pretty low for most, but by no means negligible. Whereas vaccine risks are unknown but statistically likely to be lower.
e.g. anti-vaxxers may well point out there's a 1:1 million chance of the vaccine killing them, yet ignore the fact it's a 1:100,000 chance covid will. It's quite easy to get scared of potential risks to the extent you forget the definite risks.

I just used similar arguments to convince a vulnerable 84 year old who has left the house only once since March to get the vaccine, she was worried because of all the rubbish being published on the internet, she will now get it tomorrow, let's hope she won't change her mind again.

[d000hg]

Of course for those in their 20s it may be the covid risk is so low that genuine vaccine concerns are not entirely silly, but historically we are pretty good at vaccines. The fact these are a new type of vaccine does raise a note of caution to do some research, I think that's reasonable, but research will seem to show overwhelming confidence by the medical community who are themselves willing to be vaccinated. Which is good enough for me.