Doom: English Lockdown

[Paddy]

Don't worry, that well known journalist, Nigel Farage, will relaunch the Brexit Party as an anti-lockdown party called the Reform Party

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Yep it's official, The anti lockdown party will be launched on Monday by Farage; the EU has forced the UK to wear masks and immigrants have caused covid-19... etc,

[TwoWolves]

We have family members who work in the NHS and even in Spanish hospitals. They all say the same... nowhere near capacity, not being overwhelmed and don't understand the government policy panic.

Where I am it's obvious where the spread vectors are, Boomers continuously going for lunch/dinner as they can't cook for themselves and have massive final salary pensions and no hobbies to entertain themselves. Just lock-down the Boomers and raid their pensions to pay for everything.

[northernladuk]

We have family members who work in the NHS and even in Spanish hospitals. They all say the same... nowhere near capacity, not being overwhelmed and don't understand the government policy panic.

Today they aren't. I do wish people would stop using the now as a guide and completely ignore the fact it's on the rise. Just not helpful at all.

[darmstadt]

Johnson promise a “massive” expansion in rapid turnaround tests.

He said: “We know from trials across the country, in schools and hospitals, that we can use these tests, not just to locate infections in people, but to drive down the disease.”

However:

But the Innova tests are not for people without symptoms, such as university students or people wanting to get on a plane or go to the theatre. They are designed for people who already have Covid symptoms. And the devices, which look like a pregnancy test, are intended to be read by a healthcare professional.

The company is clear about their limitations on the instructions for use, which can be found on its website. The tests analyse throat and nose swabs “from individuals who are suspected of Covid-19 by their healthcare provider, within the first five days of the onset of symptoms”. The test is designed for use by trained lab and healthcare staff, it says.

I suspect that Johnson just sees the words 'rapid test' and then makes the rest up without actually reading the fine details which would explain a lot

[jayn200]

Today they aren't. I do wish people would stop using the now as a guide and completely ignore the fact it's on the rise. Just not helpful at all.

Yeah I agree but the government also putting out estimates of 4000+ deaths a day doesn't help either when there is no data to support that. That would imply like at least 1/4 - 1/5 of the population getting infected in a single week.... There is absolutely nothing to support this happening.

[SueEllen]

Yeah I agree but the government also putting out estimates of 4000+ deaths a day doesn't help either when there is no data to support that. That would imply like at least 1/4 - 1/5 of the population getting infected in a single week.... There is absolutely nothing to support this happening.

Are the deaths Covid deaths, or deaths caused by not being able to get timely NHS treatment due to NHS resources being concentrated on treating Covid patients?

[Old Greg]

Today they aren't. I do wish people would stop using the now as a guide and completely ignore the fact it's on the rise. Just not helpful at all.

Exactly. You need to look at the European countries who are approaching deep do-do and plan to avoid that.

Belgium becomes latest European country to announce strict lockdown amid soaring coronavirus cases | Euronews

Belgium now has more patients in its hospitals with the virus than at the peak of the first wave in early spring.

Reports during the week said health workers in some hospitals in Liege, Belgium's third-largest city and a coronavirus hotspot, had been asked to continue working even if they have tested positive for COVID-19, so long as they were not displaying any symptoms.


The country of 11.5 million people had 6,187 people hospitalised with the virus on Friday, 1,057 of whom were in intensive care.


Over the last week, it recorded more than 100,000 new infections (more than 15,000 per day on average), which is a record.

[darmstadt]

Exactly. You need to look at the European countries who are approaching deep do-do and plan to avoid that.

Belgium becomes latest European country to announce strict lockdown amid soaring coronavirus cases | Euronews

Matt Hancock's idea of a well run Covid campaign: Once Matt Hancock's guiding light, Belgium now has one of the world's highest case rates

[darmstadt]

Hiding in a fridge again, possibly:

Boris Johnson has pulled out of an appearance at the annual conference of the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) after the organisation issued warnings about a second lockdown and Brexit.

CBI president Lord Bilimoria said it was only the second time a prime minister had not spoken at the event.
The group’s director general Dame Carolyn Fairbairn said the second national lockdown will be a “real body blow” for firms and that appearing at the conference was an opportunity for the prime minister “to make it absolutely clear that he backs business”.

But Lord Bilimoria revealed on Monday morning that the PM had pulled out and was being replaced by business secretary Alok Sharma.

Lord Bilimoria told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “It is absolutely normal, in the history of the CBI, for the Prime Minister of the day to address the annual conference.

[jayn200]

Are the deaths Covid deaths, or deaths caused by not being able to get timely NHS treatment due to NHS resources being concentrated on treating Covid patients?

All the media is reporting 4000+ from coronavirus itself but who knows if they are reporting it correctly since I don't believe there was any official press release or anything.

You cannot accurately predict something that hasn't happened before (although people always try). No where has reached the level of death they were predicting nor the level of infections. I find it hard to believe we are going to hit 3 times what we did earlier in the year when everyone was at work, using public transport, not social distancing or wear masks, etc.