Christ he's black!

[LondonManc]

easier-who cares about the colour of a sky fairie?

That was his dad.

[northernladuk]

That was his dad.

I bet he's gonna start sweating if the do find Jesus's remains and do a DNA test.....

[LondonManc]

I bet he's gonna start sweating if the do find Jesus's remains and do a DNA test.....

God's DNA.... not sure how we break this one to you pal.

[northernladuk]

God's DNA.... not sure how we break this one to you pal.

That's if you believe in the imaculate conception.. DNA evidence might show someone has been a very naughty girl.

[Gibbon]

That's if you believe in the imaculate conception.. DNA evidence might show someone has been a very naughty girl.

'the mother of Jesus' is described as having been 'turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera*'

(Origen, Contra Celsum)

Panthera was a common name among soldiers.

[NotAllThere]

'the mother of Jesus' is described as having been 'turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera'

Celsum asserted that. Origen refuted it. Celsum wrote in the 2nd Century, so his word doesn't particulary carry more weight than other witnesses from that time. But people believe what they like and use the "reliable" sources they prefer. Personally, if I find Crossan supports it, it's probably not true. YMMV.

[northernladuk]

'the mother of Jesus' is described as having been 'turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera*'

(Origen, Contra Celsum)

Panthera was a common name among soldiers.

Was the carpenter called Lion-O?

[Old Greg]

Celsum asserted that. Origen refuted it. Celsum wrote in the 2nd Century, so his word doesn't particulary carry more weight than other witnesses from that time. But people believe what they like and use the "reliable" sources they prefer. Personally, if I find Crossan supports it, it's probably not true. YMMV.

Rebutted is the word you are looking for, not refuted.

But it seems an unlikely story to me, with no obvious basis. More likely than God being the father of course, which is a ridiculous narrative. Less likely than the father being Joseph the carpenter.

[LondonManc]

Others allege that it's just one woman's lie that got waaay out of hand.

[Gibbon]

Rebutted is the word you are looking for, not refuted.

But it seems an unlikely story to me, with no obvious basis. More likely than God being the father of course, which is a ridiculous narrative. Less likely than the father being Joseph the carpenter.

Actually the ancients had little problem with Gods impregnating young virgins, the biggest problem was how Mary remained a perpetual virgin, this was one of the objections of Volsanius writing to St Augustine in the early 5th Century. Also another twist in the orthodox nicene creed, Jesus is God so he was his own 'father'.