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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist -
Hardly practical or economic for every nation to be self sufficient in everything but, all the same, it may be a good idea to have some core production and skills with regard to essential things, and be better equipped to tackle crises.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostHardly practical or economic for every nation to be self sufficient in everything but, all the same, it may be a good idea to have some core production and skills with regard to essential things, and be better equipped to tackle crises.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Originally posted by AtW View PostA lot of that manufacturing is automated to high degree - but one needs materials in place, hard tomimagine cotton will be made on the UK.
Hard to imagine that people in far-away, third-world Peru could ever shift massive amounts of asparagus to a city with a name like Manchester.
No, you're right. In the UK we can only ever hope to make jam, scones and clotted cream.
And pork pies."Don't part with your illusions; when they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live" Mark TwainComment
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I personally love all the "why can't the local trouser / sugar / bikini factory just start making PPE?". Same tulipe with ventilators and other equipment needed, as if any factory can just easily switch production and start churning out pharma equipment just because they already manufacture something. Pharma is most likely the most tightly controlled and monitored industry there is, you can't just make a ventilator out of spare parts from a fridge and start making thousands of them on a production line which was previously making engine parts. Ffs.
Btw slow clap for the government for the whole PPE supply tulip show. If this isn't criminal then I don't know what is.Comment
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Originally posted by dsc View PostI personally love all the "why can't the local trouser / sugar / bikini factory just start making PPE?". Same tulipe with ventilators and other equipment needed, as if any factory can just easily switch production and start churning out pharma equipment just because they already manufacture something. Pharma is most likely the most tightly controlled and monitored industry there is, you can't just make a ventilator out of spare parts from a fridge and start making thousands of them on a production line which was previously making engine parts. Ffs.
Btw slow clap for the government for the whole PPE supply tulip show. If this isn't criminal then I don't know what is.
At the same time the amount of single use PPE they're getting through on a daily basis is ridiculous. Surely some of that is fit for reuse after appropriate cleaning or steralisation. i.e. instead of just binning the stuff for recycling put it in storage for a week and any virus is dead anyway. Are there other viruses, bacteria, or fluids the medics come into contact with that need longer periods to become inactive and no risk? If so then that's the period the kit needs storing for before re-use and set up a circulation of kit over that timeframe. Alternatively some decontamination room like they use for full biohazards is surely not difficult to provide to the hospitals.
Get the army in, they'd sort it out.Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.Comment
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Originally posted by dsc View Postyou can't just make a ventilator out of spare parts from a fridge and start making thousands of them on a production line which was previously making engine parts. Ffs.
Firms including Siemens, Airbus, Ford and a number of Formula 1 teams worked with Penlon, a medical device maker, to adapt its ventilator so that it could be mass-produced at speed.
Under normal circumstances, Penlon would only be able to make 50 to 60 ventilators a week.
In line with updated MHRA rules, the ESO2 can also be switched on and off more easily, allowing liquid to be regularly drained from patients' lungs - something the sickest Covid-19 patients can require on an hourly basis.
Dick Elsy, chair of the VentilatorChallengeUK consortium which is making the device, said it had undergone "stringent testing and clinical trials for the last two weeks".
"Ventilators of this type are complex and critical pieces of medical equipment, so ensuring the absolute adherence to regulatory standards and meeting clinical needs were always our priorities," he said.
Airbus' Broughton site, which makes wings for commercial aircraft, Ford's Dagenham engine factory and McLaren's Woking site are helping to produce the ESO2.Comment
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Originally posted by HoofHearted View PostThey might not be made of spare parts from a fridge but other than that it looks like you canComment
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Originally posted by Hobosapien View PostI imagine the issue with lack of PPE being made in the UK is not so much the lack of manufacturing facilities and materials but the regulations, red tape, and 'oh we can't do that it's not establushed procedure'. Can't have something churned out from a new supplier without being approved after extensive testing. Seems they are more worried about that rubber stamp than recognising that plastic is plastic and rubber is rubber (or whatever the surgical gloves are made out of) and as long as it's non-porous is better than not having anything.
At the same time the amount of single use PPE they're getting through on a daily basis is ridiculous. Surely some of that is fit for reuse after appropriate cleaning or steralisation. i.e. instead of just binning the stuff for recycling put it in storage for a week and any virus is dead anyway. Are there other viruses, bacteria, or fluids the medics come into contact with that need longer periods to become inactive and no risk? If so then that's the period the kit needs storing for before re-use and set up a circulation of kit over that timeframe. Alternatively some decontamination room like they use for full biohazards is surely not difficult to provide to the hospitals.
Get the army in, they'd sort it out.
That of course didn't stop Public Health England from lowering the ppe requirements for surgical gowns and they are saying you can just wear plastic aprons as gowns are not available at most hospitals (so the requirement is aligned with what equipment is available rather than what is safe, wait a few more days and they'll be saying it's perfectly safe to just wear shorts and a baseball cap).Comment
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