Germany conducting more than 50,000 coronavirus tests a day

[AtW]

However, there's plenty of people dying and it's not because of a lack of ventilators in the UK. The UK is not at the capacity of it's ventilators.

Maybe, just maybe, IF one only admits people to hospital at the point when they can't breath, then not much can be done about it.

Maybe, just maybe, early diagnosis and care help improve chances of survival.

[tomtomagain]

Maybe, just maybe, IF one only admits people to hospital at the point when they can't breath, then not much can be done about it.

Maybe, just maybe, early diagnosis and care help improve chances of survival.

Maybe. Who knows? Where did you do you medical degree?

[AtW]

Maybe. Who knows? Where did you do you medical degree?

Did I say that I've got a medical degree?

Is it unreasonable to suggest that early care might improve chances of survival?

Large scale testing and tracing can certainly limit damage to older population by catching younger potentially exposed to virus, in Germany they certainly did a lot of that just like in South Korea.

Either way Germany is not in deep tulip like we are here, so whatever they did that they are doing a lot better than in this country.

[tomtomagain]

Did I say that I've got a medical degree?

No you didn't. But you did imply heavily that it was because people in the UK were not being admitted to hospital quickly enough, when you actually have no real understanding of what the best practise is when it comes to treating a COVID-19 patient.

Is it unreasonable to suggest that early care might improve chances of survival?

Yes it is. The UK ( and France, with another very high death rate ) have not exceeded their ICU capacity. So the idea that patients only die if they don't get to a ICU bed is patently false. People are dying in hospital. They are not dying because they cannot get into hospital and everyone who's in hospital coming out alive.

Large scale testing and tracing can certainly limit damage to older population by catching younger potentially exposed to virus, in Germany they certainly did a lot of that just like in South Korea.

Agree.

Either way Germany is not in deep tulip like we are here, so whatever they did that they are doing a lot better than in this country.

They are up to their knees, we are up to our waist. The Italians and Spanish are up to their necks. How far everyone sinks is still a TBC. But hey, guess what? It's not a competition.

In the aftermath Germany is likely to be very hard hit economically. As the major exporter in Europe it needs it's major export markets to be open for business. Germany can't go back to work until the rest of Europe goes back to work.

[SueEllen]

Did I say that I've got a medical degree?

Is it unreasonable to suggest that early care might improve chances of survival?

Large scale testing and tracing can certainly limit damage to older population by catching younger potentially exposed to virus, in Germany they certainly did a lot of that just like in South Korea.

Either way Germany is not in deep tulip like we are here, so whatever they did that they are doing a lot better than in this country.

The problem is that in UK hospitals you catch infections.

People have caught Covid-19 by being in a ward with someone who was later found to be infected.

[scooterscot]

Either way Germany is not in deep tulip like we are here, so whatever they did that they are doing a lot better than in this country.

Before the lockdown here in Germany many were self isolating, reducing social contact. I recall a number amongst my fraternity gasping in horror watching the beeb showing us how busy the streets in the UK remained, the pictures of folks rammed on the tube... just disbelief.

[scooterscot]

In the aftermath Germany is likely to be very hard hit economically. As the major exporter in Europe it needs it's major export markets to be open for business. Germany can't go back to work until the rest of Europe goes back to work.

True - but you'll notice something odd, the UK's smaller population has more claimants for unemployment in the past week than Germany currently, I think it's because of Kurzarbeit. Might also be something to do with more people in the UK working in the hospitality sectors.

[AtW]

The problem is that in UK hospitals you catch infections.

People have caught Covid-19 by being in a ward with someone who was later found to be infected.

Again lack of testing made this so much worse, and lack of PPE

It’s just crazy what’s happening, and it is about to get much worse

[AtW]

“ Public health officials in charge of defending the country from a major pandemic never drew up plans for mass community testing despite warnings from the World Health Organization, The Telegraph can disclose.

Emergency planners "did not discuss" the need for community testing because they wrongly believed a new strain of influenza would be the next outbreak to strike the UK, a senior Government adviser revealed.

Instead, ministers, along with officials from Public Health England, the Cabinet Office and the Department of Health, decided against planning for mass testing despite an official warning from the WHO that it would slow the spread of disease.”

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