Why the need to escape from Vietnam using traffickers?

[Zigenare]

No you didn't.

Admit it, you were the "Vietnamese Chap", weren't you?

[sal]

Don't see what child smuggling has to do with this. Someone who wants to visit their family for two weeks in summer or for Christmas and meets all the required conditions should not just be randomly denied visa without any reasons given by the homeoffice. I'm speaking out of personal experience here.

The tiny problem here is that in the case of Vietnam you likely need an exit visa from your own government, not only an entry visa for your destination country.

Random denial of documents by UK Government institutions is a thing. You get a reason - no sufficient evidence/documentation provided. Same circumstances, same documentation provided, Person A was fine, Person B got denial. It often boils down to which side of the bead the person looking at your application got from this morning. I'm speaking out of personal experience here.

[NotAllThere]

I worked with a Vietnamese chap once, and he was entirely convinced that the USA was right in trying to stop the Communists from invading South Vietnam, as they did successfully in Korea, but unsuccessfully in Vietnam.. If the ideology is so great, then why are these people trying to escape?

I had a Vietnamese girlfriend, and she felt the same. Although in later life, she's understood that it was a lot more complex than that. There's a great documentary about it on Netflix.

[Zigenare]

I had a Vietnamese girlfriend, and she felt the same. Although in later life, she's understood that it was a lot more complex than that. There's a great documentary about it on Netflix.

No you didn't.

Gratis.

[JohntheBike]

I had a Vietnamese girlfriend, and she felt the same. Although in later life, she's understood that it was a lot more complex than that. There's a great documentary about it on Netflix.

Yes, it was a very complex situation, perhaps not helped by the attitude of the French after WW2, who were advised not to use the military to rule the the region, which they did of course.

The recent documentary on the TV was interesting. I remember some of the events of course, especially the famous picture of the little girl who was badly burned. The problem from a military point of view, as is now with terrorists, seemed to be that the Communist forces couldn't be easily identified, when they infiltrated the South, as they would have been in a conventional war.

Given South Korea's relatively affluent position in relation to the North, even as it was in the 1970's, I find it difficult to understand what would motivate the Communists, unless they wanted to share in that affluence (UK Socialist policy?:), which clearly until relatively recent times, they didn't in Vietnam.

Communism has collapsed in the USSR, I guess principally because it's alien to natural human aspirations. It's only maintained in China by force, although Hong Kong might be a catalyst for change.

[Mordac]

Yes, it was a very complex situation, perhaps not helped by the attitude of the French after WW2, who were advised not to use the military to rule the the region, which they did of course.

The recent documentary on the TV was interesting. I remember some of the events of course, especially the famous picture of the little girl who was badly burned. The problem from a military point of view, as is now with terrorists, seemed to be that the Communist forces couldn't be easily identified, when they infiltrated the South, as they would have been in a conventional war.

Given South Korea's relatively affluent position in relation to the North, even as it was in the 1970's, I find it difficult to understand what would motivate the Communists, unless they wanted to share in that affluence (UK Socialist policy?:), which clearly until relatively recent times, they didn't in Vietnam.

Communism has collapsed in the USSR, I guess principally because it's alien to natural human aspirations. It's only maintained in China by force, although Hong Kong might be a catalyst for change.

[Zigenare]

Communism has collapsed in the USSR, I guess principally because it's alien to natural human aspirations. It's only maintained in China by force, although Hong Kong might be a catalyst for change.

China would burn Hong Kong to the ground and start again if things get too uppity. Who's to stop them?

[JohntheBike]

China would burn Hong Kong to the ground and start again if things get too uppity. Who's to stop them?

yes, quite!

[BrilloPad]

China would burn Hong Kong to the ground and start again if things get too uppity. Who's to stop them?

Team America world police?

[Zigenare]

Team America world police?

Not a chance.