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Iran 'seizes British-flagged oil tanker'

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    #41
    Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
    The Spanish were the ones first given the intelligence, of course they didn't act, they're Spanish.



    No, I think the EU is spineless on such matters.

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    Such is the principle of sovereignty. An EU nation can decide how it wishes to implement the sanctions.
    The US also has the same sanctions against Syria. If the UK hadn't been in the EU the UK government would still have agreed to the sanctions.
    I'm alright Jack

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      #42
      Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
      Such is the principle of sovereignty. An EU nation can decide how it wishes to implement the sanctions.
      The US also has the same sanctions against Syria. If the UK hadn't been in the EU the UK government would still have agreed to the sanctions.
      The UK is the US's biatch Those leavers who want to 'take back control' from the EU (although we never lost control) will soon start to see what losing control is like once the US really start to control us and we can't look to the EU to help us.

      Just hope we don't run out of popcorn whilst it all plays out
      Last edited by Whorty; 21 July 2019, 13:50.
      I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter man

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        #43
        Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
        Such is the principle of sovereignty. An EU nation can decide how it wishes to implement the sanctions.
        The US also has the same sanctions against Syria. If the UK hadn't been in the EU the UK government would still have agreed to the sanctions.
        What is the point of EU sanctions, if member states can choose to ignore them if they wish?
        His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...

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          #44
          Originally posted by Mordac View Post
          What is the point of EU sanctions, if member states can choose to ignore them if they wish?
          Is there any evidence the sanctions are merely advisory for member states?

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            #45
            Originally posted by TheGreenBastard View Post
            Is there any evidence the sanctions are merely advisory for member states?
            They’re not, BB is incorrect.

            The sanctions are covered under a Regulation, meaning that there is no requirement for additional member state legislation to cover them, and presumably any disagreements over what constitutes a product or service under sanction would need to go to the CJEU and not to a member state judiciary.

            Which begs the question, why did Gibraltar feel the need to create local legislation, giving additional power to the Minister to identify ships that he considered (rightly or wrongly) to have broken the sanctions?

            Why was the ship detained under the Gibraltar legislation, if it merely enacts the EU regulation? Why not seize the ship under EU regulation if that is supreme?

            Why was the ship detained the day after legislation was enacted in Gibraltar?

            The U.K. has allowed itself to be played by the US again.

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              #46
              Originally posted by meridian View Post
              The U.K. has allowed itself to be played by the US again.
              The UK might as well just be another US state.

              The PM from tomorrow will be a mini-president anyway.....

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                #47
                Originally posted by Mordac View Post
                What is the point of EU sanctions, if member states can choose to ignore them if they wish?
                You seem to be wakjng up to the reality that the EU is not a federal state. Well done!

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Mordac View Post
                  What is the point of EU sanctions, if member states can choose to ignore them if they wish?
                  There are different ways of enforcing sanctions. You can seize funds, you can impose travel restrictions on regime members. You can take a decision that impounding an Iranian tanker would leave you vulnerable so you could go back to the EU and get them to issue warnings or further sanctions to the country responsible.
                  I'm alright Jack

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
                    There are different ways of enforcing sanctions. You can seize funds, you can impose travel restrictions on regime members. You can take a decision that impounding an Iranian tanker would leave you vulnerable so you could go back to the EU and get them to issue warnings or further sanctions to the country responsible. crying like a little bitch and let your big brother sort it out.
                    Gratis.
                    Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                      The UK might as well just be another US state.

                      The PM from tomorrow will be a mini-president anyway.....
                      Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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