Lorraine Kelly wins £1.2m tax case against HMRC over ITV work

[Zigenare]

Good for her.

I'm actually god's gift to C++, I merely portray the part of a beerswilling layabout for the benefit of the client.

Funny that, 'coz I'm a beerswilling layabout, I merely portray the part of being God's gift to C++ for the benefit of my employer!

[billybiro]

Oh, there's going to be a sudden flood of expertise into the country? My skills are suddenly no longer going to be required?

No, but you can be easily replaced by any number of permie-tractors that can be supplied to your clients by any one of the "Big 4" consultancies.

[vwdan]

No, but you can be easily replaced by any number of permie-tractors that can be supplied to your clients by any one of the "Big 4" consultancies.

Doubt it. And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for tuliptier service, just to avoid a smidge of IR35 aggro?

Like I say, there aren't suddenly going to be magical extra people with my skillset around so I can't see why the market rate would suddenly plummet.

[BoredBloke]

Doubt it. And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for tuliptier service, just to avoid a smidge of IR35 aggro?

Like I say, there aren't suddenly going to be magical extra people with my skillset around so I can't see why the market rate would suddenly plummet.

Never under estimate the stupidity of HR.

I was having an argument with somebody yesterday who said that LK was on the fiddle because she used her own limited company that only the rich have access to and she should have been a sole trader. He then went on to say that there is no reason for anybody to user a limited company and that those who do are on the fiddle. So all self employed should be a sole trader.

[billybiro]

Doubt it. And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for tuliptier service, just to avoid a smidge of IR35 aggro?

Like I say, there aren't suddenly going to be magical extra people with my skillset around so I can't see why the market rate would suddenly plummet.

"And why would they pay 3x - 5x the price, for tuliptier service, just to avoid a smidge of IR35 aggro?"

Because it's significantly easier. And that "smidge of aggro" could be very costly to the company in terms of time and resource (and thus money) that it could very well mean that paying 3x -5x the price actually makes economical sense.

However, it isn't even going to be 3x - 5x the cost. With all of the IR35 aggro that will be caused to contractors by the changes, it means that your rates are going to have to go up, putting you much closer to the rate of the consultancies.

Unless you're telling me that you're fully prepared to absorb the increased taxation you'll be subjected to from your current rate and see your take home pay take a nosedive?

[billybiro]

Yes, she had some form of right of substitution although ITV had the right to reject if unsuitable. It wasn't a key factor in the case.

I see. That's that "sham" form of substitution, right?

[AtW]

I see. That's that "sham" form of substitution, right?

Yes, sounds like grounds for appeal

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

Yes, sounds like grounds for appeal

Why? You only need to have one of the three main pillars in your defence. I don’t think even HMRC are dumb enough to think an appeal on the basis of a slightly fettered substitution clause would get anywhere.

[Mordac]

Never under estimate the stupidity of HR.

I was having an argument with somebody yesterday who said that LK was on the fiddle because she used her own limited company that only the rich have access to and she should have been a sole trader. He then went on to say that there is no reason for anybody to user a limited company and that those who do are on the fiddle. So all self employed should be a sole trader.

But so many do....

[AtW]

Why? You only need to have one of the three main pillars in your defence. I don’t think even HMRC are dumb enough to think an appeal on the basis of a slightly fettered substitution clause would get anywhere.

What is going to happen soon is new higher rate of corp tax for PSCs