Calling all IPSE Members

[contractorinatractor]

Jeez-Louise.

This is a contracotr forum; supposedly with many PMs. Can someone PLEASE summarise (properly) a few bulletpoints being made by each side of this? Try to be impartial when writing it, too. This thread is mostly fluff and the semi-informative post summaries lack information for us to make a decision.

One side proposes changes which involve removing Caroline from the board with immediate effect, amongst probably some other resolutions. The other want to continue their status quo ideals but with some alterations that don't sound great either.

Too much flim flam flying about and not enough facts. Many of us don't bother with IPSE forums, as it's full to the gunnels of absolute cunnets, even more so than this forum.

[Mordac]

Since when did facts matter.

Personally you've played this wrong - the EGM should have been for the removal of the entire board as it would have given the board far less option to a) make / imply things are personal and b) hide the reasons behind the request.

And given that IPSE really aren't doing what's required at this moment in time (Contractor Calculator are doing it instead) it really doesn't matter. IPSE is merely a tax insurance policy with random benefits on top.

And you can get that (and more) from QDOS without paying a pointless subscription, or having to tolerate all the histrionics. IPSE has become another trade-union, with all the associated power struggles, screaming like children and achieving nothing of use.

[Cirrus]

What issue do you have with the products?

They appear to underwrite their own products (eg insurance against your agent going bankrupt). They are not registered to do that.
They don't as far as I can see send out mandatory documentation (eg Key Facts) (The agent insurance does not reveal the name of the registered underwriter)
They don't handle complaints in a satisfactory manner.

[Nut]

To be perfectly honest i'm still none the wiser as to what the issues are around people trying to sack that woman.

Additionally, and I say this as an IPSE subscriber, I feel that they have utterly failed at their primary purpose. I do not think they have represented the interests of contractors and self employed effectively AT ALL. From what I can see they have achieved the square root of F all. If they have done anything then it surely hasn't been promoted.

The only reason I continue to pay it is the package of insurance benefits it offers, and the perkbox access which offsets a nice chunk of their annual cost for me.

Can anyone recommend an alternative which offers those? I'm not overly bothered about my money going to them from a representation perspective due to them not really achieving anything

[GreenMirror]

Can someone PLEASE summarise (properly) a few bulletpoints being made by each side of this?

BoD : CC are cretins
CC: BoD are cretins.

Much the same as the br***t vs remoan*r debate.

[GreenMirror]

sack that woman.

Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

[Epiphone]

Why is this entire thing being played out in public and not kept internally to the IPSE fora?

Surprised they're still going to be honest. They've done nowt for IR35 in their existence and any time they get involved things get worse. What exactly are they for these days?

[malvolio]

Why is this entire thing being played out in public and not kept internally to the IPSE fora?

No Idea. Ask the various CC members who have brought this on to these boards. Although I defy anyone to wade through the pages of "debate" on the IPSE forum and get a clear message.

Surprised they're still going to be honest. They've done nowt for IR35 in their existence and any time they get involved things get worse. What exactly are they for these days?

Quite a lot actually. For example, while Contractor Calculator are urging people to get their MPs to react to the private sector IR35 proposals, IPSE and others are working directly with HMG to make their case. Not sure anyone will succeed but it is simply not true that nobody is doing anything.

To be fair, IR35 itself is a dead issue, is not going to change and the world has moved on. Far better to work on getting the scope right and working out who is inside in a somewhat less random/expensive/subjective/ill-informed/FUD-driven manner (delete as appropriate).

[SimonMac]

Calling all IPSE Members

Why is this entire thing being played out in public and not kept internally to the IPSE fora?

Surprised they're still going to be honest. They've done nowt for IR35 in their existence and any time they get involved things get worse. What exactly are they for these days?

There are more IPSE members than just those on the IPSE forums

We are starting to put concise content and our point of view here:

IPSE CC - Why the stand and EGM?

[BR14]

So has it all gorn IPSE's up, then? - or not?