Fake news

[Bean]

Will be an interesting one. Also does Trump automatically get the rep nomination or does he have to go through primaries again opening up the possibility of a better rep nominee?

Primaries again.

When Obama ran for a 2nd term, he was mostly unopposed in the primaries, which basically handed him the nomination on a platter.

[contractorinatractor]

I bet you didn't even watch the two youtube videos posted did you?

S1: Clinton said NO classified emails stored on personal servers - FALSE (This alone is enough for disciplinary action btw, which you'd know if you watched the vids)
S2: Clinton said all emails were handed over - FALSE
S3: Clinton said personal server was 'signed-off'(authorised) - FALSE
and therefore she lied under oath

...and those are just some of problems with her 'sworn testimony'

So just to be clear, you're ignoring the fact that multiple senators (inc. Gowdy) found there were serious issues with her testimony and 'facts' (see above), and instead focus on posting some ad-hominems directed to JogOn & myself?
(Well, THAT certainly is a 'worthy endeavour' of some 'smart folk' ain't it? )

Clearly, you are very triggered.

Add me to your ignore list, but it won't stop you from being wrong.

Your facile impotency knows no bounds.

I am fully aware she lied. I don't think she did it with corrupt intent. Most people don't work in IT and don't have any formation of idea how the hell messages get from one phone to another.

Your whataboutism is truly frightening. These matters are minor and worthy of a slap on the hand versus suggesting a known liar and narcissist is now the President. I dislike the Clintons, but the notion that they are roughly the same as the Trumps is ridiculous. The new administration is correctly viewed as joke internationally. How does placing fabricating amateurs into office cause the situation to be resolved?

People aren't that bothered about misuse of an email server when nothing major came from it when compared to a corrupt administration that is partnering with banking execs and using the false embodiment of racial hatred to stir up tensions, because it can't just point to any major successes. Doing that, as head of a country, will cause repercussion for generations to come.

As you're a bit thick: it's like you changing topic every time your client asks how your project is going and complaining about the lack of stationary when the reality is you aren't up to the job of doing the task in hand to a reasonable degree and therefore have to create distractions for the client to get angry about whilst you work out what the hell you are going to do.

It's not that 'we' don't see this truth you point out, it's that we don't really think it matters too much on the severity scale. Stirring up tensions as a president is 8/10 on the scale. Using a non-government email server (not 'personal', if you actually investigate the story fully) which doesn't contain too much sensitive information and is relatively minor, now corrected and no longer in use, is a 2/10.

Whilst you're shouting about all these minor matters there are major issues going on with the USA that could affect the country negatively for years to come.

If you're not gay, trans, poor and can live in isolation with a few people then it may not affect you; but it's good to recognise grievances and help to act on them with benevolence. That makes us human. I disagree with discrimination even though I've rarely experienced it.

I've looked at your posts and you seem to promote the idea that some random website has finally got the truth for you and all us plebs here are missing out on true facts. I'm afraid sometimes it's a duck because it looks like a duck - it's obvious from your change of tone over the years that you have been negatively affected by these fake news outlets.

The main issue here is that there is no right answer to prove this to you. You can easily do what the Trumps rely on: obfuscate and say 'what about this though?!' and distract from the question in hand. Don't sweat the small things. Focus on the big queries. Where is the USA heading? Where is the UK heading?

You remind me of being in a middle eastern country and having clerics telling me that they had found information about the Americans on the internet. It concretely showed the US is entirely run by FreeMasons. This is now you. Where can someone even begin to explain what's wrong with your analytical process when it's so deeply entrenched?

[Bean]

Your facile impotency knows no bounds.

I am fully aware she lied. I don't think she did it with corrupt intent. Most people don't work in IT and don't have any formation of idea how the hell messages get from one phone to another.

Your whataboutism is truly frightening. These matters are minor and worthy of a slap on the hand versus suggesting a known liar and narcissist is now the President. I dislike the Clintons, but the notion that they are roughly the same as the Trumps is ridiculous. The new administration is correctly viewed as joke internationally. How does placing fabricating amateurs into office cause the situation to be resolved?

People aren't that bothered about misuse of an email server when nothing major came from it when compared to a corrupt administration that is partnering with banking execs and using the false embodiment of racial hatred to stir up tensions, because it can't just point to any major successes. Doing that, as head of a country, will cause repercussion for generations to come.

As you're a bit thick: it's like you changing topic every time your client asks how your project is going and complaining about the lack of stationary when the reality is you aren't up to the job of doing the task in hand to a reasonable degree and therefore have to create distractions for the client to get angry about whilst you work out what the hell you are going to do.

It's not that 'we' don't see this truth you point out, it's that we don't really think it matters too much on the severity scale. Stirring up tensions as a president is 8/10 on the scale. Using a non-government email server (not 'personal', if you actually investigate the story fully) which doesn't contain too much sensitive information and is relatively minor, now corrected and no longer in use, is a 2/10.

Whilst you're shouting about all these minor matters there are major issues going on with the USA that could affect the country negatively for years to come.

If you're not gay, trans, poor and can live in isolation with a few people then it may not affect you; but it's good to recognise grievances and help to act on them with benevolence. That makes us human. I disagree with discrimination even though I've rarely experienced it.

I've looked at your posts and you seem to promote the idea that some random website has finally got the truth for you and all us plebs here are missing out on true facts. I'm afraid sometimes it's a duck because it looks like a duck - it's obvious from your change of tone over the years that you have been negatively affected by these fake news outlets.

The main issue here is that there is no right answer to prove this to you. You can easily do what the Trumps rely on: obfuscate and say 'what about this though?!' and distract from the question in hand. Don't sweat the small things. Focus on the big queries. Where is the USA heading? Where is the UK heading?

You remind me of being in a middle eastern country and having clerics telling me that they had found information about the Americans on the internet. It concretely showed the US is entirely run by FreeMasons. This is now you. Where can someone even begin to explain what's wrong with your analytical process when it's so deeply entrenched?

Bless....in your haste to hate, you've conflated JogOn & myself.

Newsflash: We are not the same person or poster

Also, part of the job is reading all those rules and regulations that regard your job and abiding by them, as terms of your continued employment. Therefore, by having classified email on a 'non-governmental' server and then lying about it (I believe with ill intent - oh look, a dissenting view from your own) - disciplinary action should have been taken, as Gowdy suggests it's inconceivable none was taken.

People voted for Trump and the EC gave him the keys and no amount of crying will change that. He has a team behind him and as others have said in other threads, quite often 'the other side' (e.g. Labour voters in England) have to just lap up the results that they don't like. Same in the USA.

PS. I don't think (happy to be corrected by screengrab or link) I have posted links from ZeroHedge (which I assume your verbal diarrhea was directed at) - that's JogOn.

PPS. The senate seemed bothered enough to have a hearing about all this.

#YouAreStillTriggered
#KeepTheAdHomsComing

[Jog On]

Primaries again.

When Obama ran for a 2nd term, he was mostly unopposed in the primaries, which basically handed him the nomination on a platter.

This will be an interesting election for sure then. Although I'm not sure any 'establishment' rep would fare well against Trump seeing as most of his voter base support him for being an outsider 'shaking things up'

If Ocasio-Cortez can polish up and get serious on issues it could get interesting...

[Bean]

This will be an interesting election for sure then. Although I'm not sure any 'establishment' rep would fare well against Trump seeing as most of his voter base support him for being an outsider 'shaking things up'

If Ocasio-Cortez can polish up and get serious on issues it could get interesting...

For him to be successful, he needs to fulfil a few of his election pledges and then just point them out during rallies.

The major problem OC has is funding for the activities she wants to implement - e.g. Healthcare to all will apparently cost ~$40 TRILLION

So the media and Trump will just ask, who, when & where will pay for that, given their total debt is ~$19 Trillion NOW and that one act would triple the entire debt!

So really, I think it'll be HC (vote for the 1st woman pres.) again, versus either Trump or some other rep. newcomer

[Jog On]

I am fully aware she lied. I don't think she did it with corrupt intent.

Guess that works well for you then.

People aren't that bothered about misuse of an email server when nothing major came from it when compared to a corrupt administration that is partnering with banking execs and using the false embodiment of racial hatred to stir up tensions, because it can't just point to any major successes. Doing that, as head of a country, will cause repercussion for generations to come.

Trump won because he made a big deal out of HRC's corruption - partnering with all sorts of execs. As far as major successes go domestically they think he's doing a bang up job

As you're a bit thick: it's like you changing topic every time your client asks how your project is going and complaining about the lack of stationary when the reality is you aren't up to the job

Really?

It's not that 'we' don't see this truth you point out, it's that we don't really think it matters too much on the severity scale. Stirring up tensions as a president is 8/10 on the scale. Using a non-government email server (not 'personal', if you actually investigate the story fully) which doesn't contain too much sensitive information and is relatively minor, now corrected and no longer in use, is a 2/10.

No amount of talking down HRC's incompetence, corruptness and dishonesty will change the American public's view of her - she lost against Donald Trump - let that sink in...

If you're not gay, trans, poor and can live in isolation with a few people then it may not affect you

Really? OK - you keep banging that drum, please continue, seriously...

I've looked at your posts and...

Aah the old route through the trash campaign, how classy.

The main issue here is that there is no right answer to prove this to you.

So it's your opinion then. And anything else is 'fake news', which is the whole point of this thread. Glad we can agree on one thing

[Jog On]

For him to be successful, he needs to fulfil a few of his election pledges and then just point them out during rallies.

The major problem OC has is funding for the activities she wants to implement - e.g. Healthcare to all will apparently cost ~$40 TRILLION

So the media and Trump will just ask, who, when & where will pay for that, given their total debt is ~$19 Trillion NOW and that one act would triple the entire debt!

So really, I think it'll be HC (vote for the 1st woman pres.) again, versus either Trump or some other rep. newcomer

I think he's done OK on the jobs thing, the trade war with China is a bit of a gamble, wonder what that will produce if anything before 2020. Luckily for him the yanks are so isolated and indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks of them they'll just see him 'getting tough' and chant 'YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!'

OC's numbers are bad, really really bad... If she doesn't get some credible figures and solid ideas to back them up she'll get ripped to shreds. Another two possibilities are Michelle Obama and Oprah.

Rep wise I'm not sure who could go up against the orange one who isn't from 'the swamp'

[WTFH]

I think he's done OK on the jobs thing, the trade war with China is a bit of a gamble, wonder what that will produce if anything before 2020. Luckily for him the yanks are so isolated and indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks of them they'll just see him 'getting tough' and chant 'YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!'

OC's numbers are bad, really really bad... If she doesn't get some credible figures and solid ideas to back them up she'll get ripped to shreds. Another two possibilities are Michelle Obama and Oprah.

Rep wise I'm not sure who could go up against the orange one who isn't from 'the swamp'

He’s good at self publicity and manipulation.
Was his North Korea publicity successful or not?
Any swamp-draining he did, he replaced with his unqualified family, or his friends.
He runs the US on twitter, because that way he can ignore difficult questions.
His favourite tactic with difficult problems is distraction and blaming. (Sound familiar?)

[Bean]

I think he's done OK on the jobs thing, the trade war with China is a bit of a gamble, wonder what that will produce if anything before 2020. Luckily for him the yanks are so isolated and indifferent to what the rest of the world thinks of them they'll just see him 'getting tough' and chant 'YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!, YooEs-A!'

OC's numbers are bad, really really bad... If she doesn't get some credible figures and solid ideas to back them up she'll get ripped to shreds. Another two possibilities are Michelle Obama and Oprah.

Rep wise I'm not sure who could go up against the orange one who isn't from 'the swamp'

Very true, 'USA USA USA' works as a distraction to some, but not others.

Yep, Dianne Abbott bad.

Oooooh hadn't considered them, although neither have political office experience do they? Similar 'outsider' vibe to take on Trump maybe.

There's still some time to find one, but maybe unlikely, so Trump it is.

[Bean]

He’s good at self publicity and manipulation.
Was his North Korea publicity successful or not?
Any swamp-draining he did, he replaced with his unqualified family, or his friends.
He runs the US on twitter, because that way he can ignore difficult questions.
His favourite tactic with difficult problems is distraction and blaming. (Sound familiar?)

He only needs public perception to believe it was successful.

At least the Supreme Court ruled he couldn't block them due to the 1st Am