November Budget - Stop Public sector IR35 rules coming into the Private sector

[MrMarkyMark]

^ This. Friend of mine contracts somewhere where they have many contractors, many of whom have been there for 5+ years, all outside IR35. From what he's described they are definitely, 100% inside. Sadly, the actions of people like that ruin it for the legitimate contractors like us, and lead to the extreme measures currently being undertaken by our wonderful government.

I should also add the reason they are getting rid of these guys is they are paramount to why the Client Co is having issues now.

All on rates upwards from £800 to almost £1K a day.

I have submitted my CV

[rootsnall]

My representations have been conveyed to the Chief Exec of HMRC - not sure how I feel about that!

Doomed !

[woohoo]

Plenty of "good" BOS candidates at my Mrs. place.
Some of the "best" I have seen

"Contractors" still 7-8 years down the line. Some deeply involved in giving disciplinary and internal company affairs, are "managers" etc.

Never understood the problem of being a contractor with a client for a number of years. I know many companies that have long standing relationships with client, suppliers etc. Obviously, if they act like an employee then that's different but not sure why the number of years has anything to do with it.

[mattfx]

I should also add the reason they are getting rid of these guys is they are paramount to why the Client Co is having issues now.

All on rates upwards from £800 to almost £1K a day.

I have submitted my CV

Yep - it's a joke really; PM me with the clientco name - I'll undercut them by half and still be up

[Pip in a Poke]

Just throwing a little curveball into the mix here...

If these proposals are in the Chancellor's autumn budget statement I'd just like to point out that that this cloud does have a silver lining.

You know all those suspect contracts you did over the last 7 years that keep you awake at night because you aren't really sure if you were inside or outside of IR35?

Worried about a knock on the door?

Well, I'm sure once the new rules have been brought into the public sector & everyone's getting clobbered, they're not going to waste time and money on investigating people anymore are they?

[PokemonStay]

Just throwing a little curveball into the mix here...

If these proposals are in the Chancellor's autumn budget statement I'd just like to point out that that this cloud does have a silver lining.

You know all those suspect contracts you did over the last 7 years that keep you awake at night because you aren't really sure if you were inside or outside of IR35?

Worried about a knock on the door?

Well, I'm sure once the new rules have been brought into the public sector & everyone's getting clobbered, they're not going to waste time and money on investigating people anymore are they?

The changes will be retrospective. Back to 1997.

HTH

[tarbera]

easy pickings

Just throwing a little curveball into the mix here...

If these proposals are in the Chancellor's autumn budget statement I'd just like to point out that that this cloud does have a silver lining.

You know all those suspect contracts you did over the last 7 years that keep you awake at night because you aren't really sure if you were inside or outside of IR35?

Worried about a knock on the door?

Well, I'm sure once the new rules have been brought into the public sector & everyone's getting clobbered, they're not going to waste time and money on investigating people anymore are they?

been at a bank for the last 5 years outside IR35, Bank declares everyone inside as they will - HMRC Rubs hands and puts you at the top of the list

[mattfx]

I think if you spent a number of years at client site continually, without any gaps it looks more and more like disguised employment, especially when you inevitably get involved in the BAU support of whatever project you last delivered, before looking at planning / implementing the next one.

From the scenes my friend described most of the contractors seem to act more like employees.

[mattfx]

been at a bank for the last 5 years outside IR35, Bank declares everyone inside as they will - HMRC Rubs hands and puts you at the top of the list

That would be extremely unfair - you cannot have an organisation deem you to be out and then retrospectively in. I doubt that'd hold water in court.

[TheFaQQer]

That would be extremely unfair - you cannot have an organisation deem you to be out and then retrospectively in. I doubt that'd hold water in court.

The bank didn't deem you outside - your limited company did. The bank is merely correcting the determination.

Or at least that's how HMRC would see it. It wouldn't be an automatic inside judgement, particularly if the inside determination is made using CEST (which doesn't follow case law), but it would be a fight that requires lots of good legal representation to be successful.