Catalonia

[SimonMac]

The next move, I would think, is for the Catalan Parliament is to declare independence, hold another vote to confirm this, and dare the Spanish to disrupt it in the same way.

If it was so easy why have they not done it in the past? For that example why has Scotland not either.

I assume because without international recognition it would be very difficult for a small county to survive on its own

[Bean]

But force must be proportionate under Article 7 of the ECHR.

http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

1 No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or international law at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the criminal offence was committed.

Yes but remember there are certain elements of the EU that have actively promoted the phrase 'Tyranny of the majority' - so you can see where that's heading...

[Bean]

(not wanting this to decent in to a Scotland thread however) So why has there not been a second referendum in Scotland even though the devolved government wants one? Because the UK government has not allowed it, the same situation with Spain not allowing one in Catalonia

Didn't May state that they could have one AFTER brexit?

Also,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-referendum


So to answer - because the devolved government no longer wants one at the moment!?

[PurpleGorilla]

Yes but remember there are certain elements of the EU that have actively promoted the phrase 'Tyranny of the majority' - so you can see where that's heading...

The ECHR is not an EU institution.

[northernladyuk]

I'd subvert the organisation from within.

Ask a Spanish judge. In any case that's moot, given that the organisers are claiming 99% voting yes.

Where do you get 99% from? Wiki is currently showing 91.96%. So were the police attacking people in case they were going to vote Yes? Hard to see how voting No is attempting to change the constitution. Surely it is the opposite?

[BlasterBates]

The ECHR is not an EU institution.

Of course not but it has the word "European" in it.

[Bean]

The ECHR is not an EU institution.

Indeed, but the police have been instructed by the government of Spain, who are part of the EU....

[SimonMac]

Didn't May state that they could have one AFTER brexit?

Also,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nce-referendum


So to answer - because the devolved government no longer wants one at the moment!?

Because the people no longer want it, or she thinks she might lose?

Either way what should be the correct process then?

Regional government camping locally until there is enough support, regional government asks permission from national government who says yes or no.

If yes there is a vote, if no there is not.

Hang on that sounds familiar until the last bit

[northernladyuk]

If it was so easy why have they not done it in the past? For that example why has Scotland not either.

I assume because without international recognition it would be very difficult for a small county to survive on its own

It is in no way easy. But new states do from time to time successfully secede against the will of the country they are leaving.

[Bean]

Of course not but it has the word "European" in it.

Yes it does, well done you for noticing