Blow me for €4 billion

[BlasterBates]

Can't wait until we're 100% off the hook for all the EU banking bailouts - which is purely factual

The UK bailed out Irish banks not because they had a legal obligation but because their own banks would have bankrupted the UK to kingdom come.

Switzerland bailed out the Euro to the tune of 51 billion CHF for similar reasons.

Of course once we've left the UK banks won't be affected by a Euro financial collapse.

[Bean]

David Davis’ own party can’t agree on what they want, and they are airing that in public. How can he play hardball if his party don’t have an agreement on a plan?

And then you say that he shouldn’t agree to “too much first”. If you actually want to get somewhere you need to agree to things, even if it is just frameworks, otherwise the “negotiations” will continue on for years or decades.

As for “parallel talks”, you’ve not done much negotiating have you?
“Group one - you talk exclusively about citizens rights”
“Group two - you talk exclusively about trade”
“Group three - you talk exclusively about the Irish border”
“Group four - you talk about international co-operation”

Each group then reports back that they can’t reach an agreement without linking it to the other groups.
Parallel demands work, but negotiating doesn’t.

yes it appears so, but so are Labour (therefore regardless of party in power we'd be in the same situation)? No real mention of brexit in the conference? Momentum accused of false promises etc.... that being said, you can still play hardball if you buy into the WTO power play, 5 eyes as leverage etc

Not too much =/= nothing (yes I agree we should agree on the formula for working out the remainder of our agreed budgetary contributions) HTH

There's a few assumptions and constraints in there that force your point to be true, but what if, some groups don't exclusively talk about 1 item, what if some groups are merged - suddenly more things are possible, yes?

and no I like many, have not negotiated a lot, I would imagine an even smaller subsection of that number frequent these forums - have you done much negotiating of this type and scale?

Also, when you talk about agreeing what they want..... what exactly does the EU want regarding NI border - it appears as though they washed their hands and just said "no harder border but you come up with the alternative" - perhaps you could enlighten us all or point us in the right direction.......is it just the UK that needs to issue demands and hold positions in the negotiations or should the EU be constructively positing alternatives?

Edit: Looks like they have at least started now: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7972596.html

[Bean]

The UK bailed out Irish banks not because they had a legal obligation but because their own banks would have bankrupted the UK to kingdom come.

Switzerland bailed out the Euro to the tune of 51 billion CHF for similar reasons.

Of course once we've left the UK banks won't be affected by a Euro financial collapse.

Bankrupted....Yes indeed, that ~£14 billion odd to the Irish banks was a really huge blow, compared to the ~£500 billion UK bank bailout package wasn't it, you complete melt

Again, see above point for comparison/reference

They may well be affected in ways, but they'll be IB ring-fenced and they won't have a God-given right to automatically receive UK taxayers' money

[BlasterBates]

Bankrupted....Yes indeed, that ~£14 billion odd to the Irish banks was a really huge blow, compared to the ~£500 billion UK bank bailout package wasn't it, you complete melt

Again, see above point for comparison/reference

They may well be affected in ways, but they'll be IB ring-fenced and they won't have a God-given right to automatically receive UK taxayers' money

Absolutely the government will simply let them all go to the wall. The Brexiteers have really thought this through.

[Bean]

Absolutely the government will simply let them all go to the wall. The Brexiteers have really thought this through.

No comeback about Ireland bankrupting the UK, I wonder why?

No, the UK government could give them a commercial loan with the kind of interest they normally screw people with

but anyway, isn't this where you're meant to say the great and godly EU will never let that happen, that's exactly what the bailout fund is for, yadda yadda yadda - no, just more emoticons and irrelevant rubbish

[BlasterBates]

No comeback about Ireland bankrupting the UK, I wonder why?

No, the UK government could give them a commercial loan with the kind of interest they normally screw people with

but anyway, isn't this where you're meant to say the great and godly EU will never let that happen, that's exactly what the bailout fund is for, yadda yadda yadda - no, just more emoticons and irrelevant rubbish

mean while

... in the real world

[Bean]

mean while

... in the real world

Lovely misdirection

Ok, look - seems that tough border issue has been sorted: Next!
Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market | The Independent




(Ps WTFH - looks like the EU has finally started being constructive on this particular issue as I was stating they weren't earlier in the thread)

[The_Equalizer]

Lovely misdirection

Ok, look - seems that tough border issue has been sorted: Next!
Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market | The Independent




(Ps WTFH - looks like the EU has finally started being constructive on this particular issue as I was stating they weren't earlier in the thread)

I would very much doubt that will be the answer to the NI/RoI thing.

[Bean]

I would very much doubt that will be the answer to the NI/RoI thing.

Neither do I, but at least it's a start of something vaguely sensible-ish.

Not all doom & gloom like some would wail though

[sasguru]

Lovely misdirection

Ok, look - seems that tough border issue has been sorted: Next!
Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market | The Independent




(Ps WTFH - looks like the EU has finally started being constructive on this particular issue as I was stating they weren't earlier in the thread)

You're a bit thick,no? Try reading your own fucking links

"The resolution, set to be voted on hours before Theresa May’s make-or-break Tory conference speech, rubbishes Britain’s existing proposals on the issue and is set to enrage DUP MPs propping up Ms May’s Government."