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    #41
    Originally posted by swamp View Post
    Unemployment rate lowest since 1975. Could get even better after Brexit. Snowflakes will be too busy working in Amazon warehouses to bash down my front door.
    No they won't

    Today they might be. This inability/refusal to see past the immediate future and think a bit more long term is part of the problem.

    Do you not see automation happening on a pretty large scale (I assume you work in IT)? Where do you think it is heading?

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      #42
      Originally posted by swamp View Post
      Unemployment rate lowest since 1975. Could get even better after Brexit. .
      Hard Brexit now!
      #prayfornodeal

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        #43
        Originally posted by Waldorf View Post
        If you think that is the answer then you should join Labour's economics team, you'll be at home there!
        Answer to what?

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          #44
          We have sleepwalked into a human ponzi scheme which requires more and more workers to prop up the care and pensions of an aging population. however the mean income (~28k) is still far below the point (~40k) at which one becomes a net contributor so we're going to need to do one of:
          1) continue to grow the population
          2) increase per capita productivity
          3) collect more taxes from current levels of production
          most people would agree that 2 is the more attractive option (with the exception of recouping taxation on money squirreled away offshore). will a universal basic income take people off the breadline and free them up to follow a more prosperous career? it would be very interesting to find out. i'd like to be generous but am quite skeptical. also what other expensive problems (homelessness, mental health...) will dissolve and what unanticipated problems would pop up?

          as others have mentioned everything is going to be changing over the next generation or two anyway. fewer and fewer people are going to be 'working' so we're going to need a whole new value system. hopefully it will somehow relate to people's impact upon our host planet

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            #45
            Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
            Scotland is a country? Huh.
            Yep it is a country like England. It is one of the 4 that make up the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

            The UK is the only sovereign country.
            "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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              #46
              Originally posted by Jog On View Post
              No they won't

              Today they might be. This inability/refusal to see past the immediate future and think a bit more long term is part of the problem.

              Do you not see automation happening on a pretty large scale (I assume you work in IT)? Where do you think it is heading?

              Amazon makes first drone delivery - BBC News
              WHS. It's amazing how blinkered some peoples' outlook is, even when it comes to the patently obvious pretty much imminent future let alone the more distant future (about which predictions are admittedly much more open to question, but probably rarely a fraction imaginative enough).
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                #47
                Soylent Green.

                It's the only answer.

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                  #48
                  The other problem is that if everyone who does nothing gets 12grand then 12 grand is the new zero.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by original PM View Post
                    The other problem is that if everyone who does nothing gets 12grand then 12 grand is the new zero.
                    That makes no sense. Inflation is a concern, of course but people say that about minimum wage too.

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                      #50
                      I think its a fantastic idea. The current welfare system is flawed and really prone to abuse and misuse. People keep gaming the system to acquire more and more benefits.

                      A universal basic income should be introduced to everyone and the minimum should be the average wage currently, which is about 25K. Anybody earning more than that would obviously not qualify and the rest would be provided that.

                      This would immensely help improve the social fabric of this country and will have wide ranging consequences on the country in terms of economic stability and happiness indicator.

                      Initially there would be a shortfall to implement this, which will need to be supported by increased corporation tax and higher rate tax. That way the increased taxation will hit businesses and wealthy.
                      Vote Corbyn ! Save this country !

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