Brummie calls out NLUK on IR35

[Brummie]

No offence but

northernladuk

seem to be exaggerating IR35 most of the time. May be he/she got investigated therefore he/she is too cautious. Sometimes when you post a question on something, what you might receive would instil more fear than confidence.

[MrMarkyMark]

No offence but seem to be exaggerating IR35 most of the time. May be he/she got investigated therefore he/she is too cautious. Sometimes when you post a question on something, what you might receive would instil more fear than confidence.

Damaged goods?

[northernladuk]

No offence but seem to be exaggerating IR35 most of the time. May be he/she got investigated therefore he/she is too cautious. Sometimes when you post a question on something, what you might receive would instil more fear than confidence.

I'm not exaggerating it, I am discussing the technicalities of it. Once people can understand it, then they are free to pick and choose how much they want to apply. No point someone asking a question and we say 'yeah go for it you'll be fine. Who cares if you don't know what MoO is.'
What use is that?

It isn't the be all and end all yes but nothing wrong with discussing it to a point that people actually understand what one of the three main pillars of defense is surely?

[MrMarkyMark]

I'm not exaggerating it, I am discussing the technicalities of it. Once people can understand it, then they are free to pick and choose how much they want to apply. No point someone asking a question and we say 'yeah go for it you'll be fine. Who cares if you don't know what MoO is.'
What use is that?

It isn't the be all and end all yes but nothing wrong with discussing it to a point that people actually understand what one of the three main pillars of defense is surely?

+1.


Be informed, whatever you do.

Otherwise choose "life"

End

[SueEllen]

No offence but seem to be exaggerating IR35 most of the time. May be he/she got investigated therefore he/she is too cautious. Sometimes when you post a question on something, what you might receive would instil more fear than confidence.

The main reason to have tasks and deliverables defined in the contract is to protect you in case you have a dispute with the client or agency.

For example if the client says as part of your role you are to data input 300 records as you don't have defined tasks you can't argue that it isn't part of your role.

Tax investigations - which tends to start as something else - is the next reason.

[Brummie]

I'm not exaggerating it, I am discussing the technicalities of it. Once people can understand it, then they are free to pick and choose how much they want to apply. No point someone asking a question and we say 'yeah go for it you'll be fine. Who cares if you don't know what MoO is.'
What use is that?

It isn't the be all and end all yes but nothing wrong with discussing it to a point that people actually understand what one of the three main pillars of defense is surely?

The point here is the level of technicalities needed. If I may, can I ask you to go through your posts (related to IR35)? I can guarantee that 99.99% of it says that they or their contract or the wordings fall under IR35 let alone their posts (which is not legally bounding). No offence again, just saying. I have contracted in europe for many years paying tax in the UK but if I had asked the question here, I know I would have received answer saying that "You have to register in that country and pay the tax there, even if you were commuting weekly...". What we forgot is that facebook paid £4K as corporation tax legally while everyone of us are paying at least 15K minimum.

[northernladuk]

The point here is the level of technicalities needed. If I may, can I ask you to go through your posts (related to IR35)? I can guarantee that 99.99% of it says that they or their contract or the wordings fall under IR35 let alone their posts (which is not legally bounding). No offence again, just saying. I have contracted in europe for many years paying tax in the UK but if I had asked the question here, I know I would have received answer saying that "You have to register in that country and pay the tax there, even if you were commuting weekly...". What we forgot is that facebook paid £4K as corporation tax legally while everyone of us are paying at least 15K minimum.

We didn't forget, we don't care. It's a completely different animal so not related to us. I'd hope what we would have told you is what the law is that relates to your question.

What is 'under IR35'?

[Brummie]

We didn't forget, we don't care. It's a completely different animal so not related to us. I'd hope what we would have told you is what the law is that relates to your question.

Most of the contractors come and ask the question know what the law states. They are here for the practical point of view. Its the difference between avoidance and evasion.

[northernladuk]

Most of the contractors come and ask the question know what the law states. They are here for the practical point of view. Its the difference between avoidance and evasion.

Well that's absolute bollocks as this very thread proves.

You've pulled me uo right in the middle of explaining to blossom what MoO really is and while we chat SueEllen is helping her understand statements of work so your argument couldn't have fallen flatter.

[SueEllen]

The point here is the level of technicalities needed. If I may, can I ask you to go through your posts (related to IR35)? I can guarantee that 99.99% of it says that they or their contract or the wordings fall under IR35 let alone their posts (which is not legally bounding). No offence again, just saying. I have contracted in europe for many years paying tax in the UK but if I had asked the question here, I know I would have received answer saying that "You have to register in that country and pay the tax there, even if you were commuting weekly...". What we forgot is that facebook paid £4K as corporation tax legally while everyone of us are paying at least 15K minimum.

WTF are you on about?

Your post doesn't make sense.