Vote for us and we'll wipe the debt away...

[AtW]

The real issue here is why grads won't earn a lot more than 21 grand?

[vetran]

Doesn't work with every job.

then they don't need a graduate.

simple as.

[MarillionFan]

vetran said average wage, not minimum wage.

UK Average Wage is £27,600. UK minimum wage is £7.50 (so about £15,600 a year for someone being paid 40 hours a week).

Yes but the leader of the great unwashed has mooted a £10 min wage which on a full week is lo and behold roughly that magic 21k.

So everyone should get a min of a tenner an hour and we wipe out all student debt. Even an idiot with a napkin can work out the maths behind that .

[original PM]

Is anyone going to point out the truth - people would prefer to get into debt and not have to work.

As opposed to getting a job, working hard and not being a burden on the state/bomad.

Fact is we need to go back to having university for the those with the brains - with an emphasis on ensuring that it is available to people from all backgrounds.

Then we have old school polytechnics teaching decent vocational careers - again ensuring that it is available to people from all backgrounds

then apprenticeships

and jobs

but they key is that no money is wasted on people doing things which really do not make britain great again

like a liberal arts degree

[Hobosapien]

Simple solution:

Give student grants to those on courses where there is a proven skills shortage or likely to be in the next 5 years. No debt to worry about, to attract them onto the course, and a pretty good chance of a decent job afterwards.

Charge more for courses that have little or no demand in jobs market and direct those candidates into the fields and manual labour markets to fill the gap when all the economic migrants have gone home due to brexit (and the poor pound to their preferred currency exchange rate). They'll avoid the student debt and have a paying job instead.

To allow such a simple solution to happen, sack all those useless civil servants that the government pays to come up with stupid unworkable overcomplex policies that keep them in a job.

[BrilloPad]

Is anyone going to point out the truth - people would prefer to get into debt and not have to work.

I disagree with that very strongly. There is no incentive to work. The oldies have taken all the houses. No social mobility.

[BrilloPad]

The real issue here is why grads won't earn a lot more than 21 grand?

Unscrupulous Birmingham employers who can't even drive?

[shaunbhoy]

The real issue here is why grads won't earn a lot more than 21 grand?

Because in a great many cases, they have "graduated" in something that has little practical value, and in all probability are now employed in a job that they could have mastered without ever having GONE to Uni.

HTH

[original PM]

I disagree with that very strongly. There is no incentive to work. The oldies have taken all the houses. No social mobility.

That is such a defeatist attitude.

It is still possible to get a job at 16, work hard and be successful.

It's hard - like it was for me when I was 16.

There is plenty of social mobility it is just people nowadays have a huge sense of entitlement and lack of spine.

[bobspud]

That is such a defeatist attitude.

It is still possible to get a job at 16, work hard and be successful.

It's hard - like it was for me when I was 16.

There is plenty of social mobility it is just people nowadays have a huge sense of entitlement and lack of spine.

^ This

At the moment society has made the stupid mistake of thinking the only route to wealth is in an office. Quite the opposite is true. My Daughter's mate dropped out of school for not being academic and is now working on the local farms driving agricultural machines. He's earning more than most of the graduates will for some time in their career and he's only sixteen...