Is it time for Hard Brexiter Tories to vote Labour?

[OwlHoot]

It seems the DUP and the Scottish Tories both want the softest of Brexits, including free trade and the free movement that implies, and in practice this would amount to no Brexit at all.

So since shadow chancellor John McDonnell has reaffirmed Corbyn's commitment to Hard Brexit, should the diehard Tories here who want a hard Brexit contemplate voting Labour next time?

[BlasterBates]

The Labour party's official position:

We will scrap the Conservatives’
Brexit White Paper and replace it
with fresh negotiating priorities that
have a strong emphasis on retaining
the benefits of the Single 0arket
and the Customs Union – which
are essential for maintaining
industries, jobs and businesses in
Britain. Labour will always put jobs
and the economy first.

which as you can see doesn't include a commitment to either leaving the single market or customs union, just a woolly phrase leaving everything open. Sound very soft actually.

[OwlHoot]

The Labour party's official position:

Sound very soft actually

I heard him on Radio 4 last night say in person that "Labour is committed to a hard Brexit".

(But of course I realize he is very keen to keep on side those many former UKIP voters who voted Labour this time.)

[sasguru]

It seems the DUP and the Scottish Tories both want the softest of Brexits, including free trade and the free movement that implies, and in practice this would amount to no Brexit at all.

So since shadow chancellor John McDonnell has reaffirmed Corbyn's commitment to Hard Brexit, should the diehard Tories here who want a hard Brexit contemplate voting Labour next time?

What advantages do you think a hard Brexit gives for Britain?

[BlasterBates]

Well actually I think they might end up like Switzerland but inside the Customs Union.

[OwlHoot]

What advantages do you think a hard Brexit gives for Britain?

Primarily, no freedom of movement from EU countries.

(and yes, I know we are not currently in Schengen, and that UK governments including the present Tories have let the torrent of immigration continue unchecked. But all the same we must have control of our borders.)

[sasguru]

Primarily, no freedom of movement from EU countries.

So why don't we just insist, as EU rules allow, that the only EU people who can come in (1) have private health insurance and (2) have a job offer that is highly paid enough that means no reliance on the state, even for tax credits?

And have other rules and regs like Switzerland, which means they only get the cream?

[BlasterBates]

This is exactly why Brexit will be a disaster, because it is abundantly clear that freedom of movement will continue after what is now clearly going to be a Soft Brexit, after the Tories lost the GE, but a substantial number of companies will be relocating out of Britain, so leaving Britain poorer but still with freedom of movement.

Britain will have no influence on rules and regulations and will govern by "fax machine", as Norway does.

[BlasterBates]

That's why I think the Tories might split as disenchanted Hard Brexiteer Tories desert to UKIP and leave Labour and other parties to form a semi-permanent coalition perhaps including Scottish and pro-EU Tories.

[Paddy]

That's why I think the Tories might split as disenchanted Hard Brexiteer Tories desert to UKIP and leave Labour and other parties to form a semi-permanent coalition perhaps including Scottish and pro-EU Tories.

Yes. The best Brexit deal is to not Brexit.