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As a lifelong Tory I'm disgusted with the Tory party
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostIf you listen to people like Alistair Campbell, A.C. Grayling and Michael Heseltine, the extremist Remain approach is more akin to the Weimar Republic. They don't respect the mechanisms of democracy, flawed or otherwise. For them, it's just a means to an end, and when it isn't their end, the toys exit the pram. That's far more dangerous than our departure from the EU.
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostLooking after the Tory party first and not the national interest is just plain wrong.Comment
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostWhat is a joke is that you vote on a manifesto, they win it, and then she decided to abandon core parts of it.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostAs a lifelong Tory, you've not really got the hang of this Tory thing yet.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostIf you listen to people like Alistair Campbell, A.C. Grayling and Michael Heseltine, the extremist Remain approach is more akin to the Weimar Republic. They don't respect the mechanisms of democracy, flawed or otherwise. For them, it's just a means to an end, and when it isn't their end, the toys exit the pram. That's far more dangerous than our departure from the EU.
To be a Brexiteer means ignoring the original referendum, and ignoring the fact that every government the people elected since the the UK joined has been pro-EU (with the exception of the weak and wobbly one elected the other day). The danger you describe is exactly what's already happened. The extremists have seized control; moderates are now dismissed as "undemocratic".
I'm shocked that I voted for Corbyn. I'd still rather have the centre-right Pro-EU Cameron government with 3 years left on their term. But that's where Brexitism has led us.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostLooking after the Tory party first and not the national interest is just plain wrong.
What this election has shown is that a substantial portion of this country does not agree with Teresa's May's rhetoric and approach.
The first thing the Tories should do is form a cross-party negotiating team for Brexit.
This is too important an issue for ideas to come from just one party - it's akin to a national emergency.
And frankly the extremists should be ignored.
By pandering to the right-wing extremists, May released the spectre of the opposite, left-wing extremists.
That's how it always plays out in history. Extremism breeds extremism.
Abandon the centre at your peril.
The country voted for Brexit, it didn't vote for chaos and poverty.Comment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostI think one German politician over the weekend said that the UK is heading to be the first, first world country to end up as a failed state.Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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Originally posted by OwlHoot View PostWell that's a bit rich, considering Germany itself ended up as a "failed state" both after WW1 and after WW2!
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostHeseltine on the telly yesterday made the point that he's been listening to Brexiteers trying to get their way for over 30 years, and that to argue for what you believe is right for the country isn't wrong, or undemocratic, but is exactly what politics is. The "shut up you lost" cry of the Brexiteers certainly isn't respecting democracy.
To be a Brexiteer means ignoring the original referendum, and ignoring the fact that every government the people elected since the the UK joined has been pro-EU (with the exception of the weak and wobbly one elected the other day). The danger you describe is exactly what's already happened. The extremists have seized control; moderates are now dismissed as "undemocratic".
I'm shocked that I voted for Corbyn. I'd still rather have the centre-right Pro-EU Cameron government with 3 years left on their term. But that's where Brexitism has led us.Comment
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