Civil war breaks out in the Tory Party

[jamesbrown]

I think that's one of your many misconceptions

They're attune with some of the perceived principles of the EU (international cooperation and hand-holding ), but they aren't really motivated by the supranational bureaucracy, I suggest. What's your explanation for their low turnout in the referendum? It wasn't their lack of awareness, in my view (if anything, kids are more politically engaged, just less motivated to vote). Rather, the differential turnout between these two events was related to factors other than the EU, such as tuition fees and left-wing hand-holding (I mean, who wasn't more left-wing at uni?).

[jamesbrown]

I would just add, that the Iraq war also had overwhelming support in parliament, in the Newspapers and amongst the electorate.

You mean like the EU in the late 1980s and early 1990s? Turds decompose, like everything else.

[sasguru]

. What's your explanation for their low turnout in the referendum? .

Like many they thought a Remain vote was a foregone conclusion.
They've learnt from their mistake though.
Although yesterday's result surprised me, it wasn't a complete shock because as a Remainer I know how organised the anti-Tory tactical vote was on on social media.
Lots of students joined the Remainer forums in the latter weeks asking how they could help

[BlasterBates]

You mean like the EU in the late 1980s and early 1990s? Turds decompose, like everything else.

So do Brexit supporters

The biggest problem Brexit has is demographics.

20 year old votes Labour to stop Brexit

[sasguru]

So do Brexit supporters

The biggest problem Brexit has is demographics.

20 year old votes Labour to stop Brexit

jamesbrown seems to be in denial that yesterday's result is an anti-Brexit (or at least an anti-hard-Brexit) vote.
Make no mistake, that's exactly is what it is.
Teresa ignored the 48% and they've bit back.

[BlasterBates]

jamesbrown seems to be in denial that yesterday's result is an anti-Brexit (or at least an anti-hard-Brexit) vote.
Make no mistake, that's exactly is what it is.
Teresa ignored the 48% and they've bit back.

Absolutely Remainers overwhelmingly voted for whoever could unseat the Tory, The arguments that Labour has a pro-Brexit manifesto are hollow, as they demonstrated in their campaign they quite clearly don't give a sh*t about Brexit and will do whatever deal they can with the EU.

[jamesbrown]

So do Brexit supporters

The biggest problem Brexit has is demographics.

20 year old votes Labour to stop Brexit

And Remainers.

[jamesbrown]

jamesbrown seems to be in denial that yesterday's result is an anti-Brexit (or at least an anti-hard-Brexit) vote.
Make no mistake, that's exactly is what it is.
Teresa ignored the 48% and they've bit back.

I just look at the numbers, you focus on sentimentality.

Is your argument that the 25% of UKIP voters who moved to Labour were "ant-Brexit"?

You've simply rejected reality and substituted your own. Other factors assert themselves when the two major parties have a similar stance (to all but those that follow this closely) on Brexit. The other major factors in this case were austerity (push) and tuition fees (pull).

[sasguru]

I just look at the numbers, you focus on sentimentality.

Is your argument that the 25% of UKIP voters who moved to Labour were "ant-Brexit"?

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Did you look at the numbers when you forecast an 80 seat Tory majority?
Those UKIP voters who moved to Labour believe Brexit is a done deal.

[jamesbrown]

Did you look at the numbers when you forecast an 80 seat Tory majority?
Those UKIP voters who moved to Labour believe Brexit is a done deal.

And what do you think might happen to those Brexit voters when they think Brexit is less of "a done deal"?

Stick with Labour?