Kicking off on London Bridge

[WTFH]

What has immigration got to do with anything, as almost all of the terrorsits have been British born, is there a UKIP version of Godwin's Law

The normal response on here is that we should reduce immigration, so I thought I'd let the "reduce immigration" brigade know that their beloved Tory party have not reduced immigration, but have reduced the number of police.

[xoggoth]

The killers of Lee Rigby were converts, so was the Westminster attacker

Yes, but both of ethnic minority background and that is a factor, as it has been in other cases, the Shoe Bomber etc. Someone is more likely to feel resentful of British society, more willing to act against it, if they do not feel part of it. Some people, of all ethnicities, will always blame others for their own problems but we don't hand white British failures a ready excuse by blaming everything on discrimination.

Societies with groups of deeply different views, who do not interact, have never worked. We need to look at the realities of human nature and human societies and, above all, the realities of history and not be driven by idealistic views.

The fact that racism keeps being discussed decade after decade proves there are no easy solutions. Far better to seek a world where we all control our own nations as we would like to and let others do the same.

[SueEllen]

Yes, but both of ethnic minority background and that is a factor, as it has been in other cases, the Shoe Bomber etc. Someone is more likely to feel resentful of British society, more willing to act against it, if they do not feel part of it. Some people, of all ethnicities, will always blame others for their own problems but we don't hand white British failures a ready excuse by blaming everything on discrimination.

Societies with groups of deeply different views, who do not interact, have never worked. We need to look at the realities of human nature and human societies and, above all, the realities of history and not be driven by idealistic views.

The fact that racism keeps being discussed decade after decade proves there are no easy solutions. Far better to seek a world where we all control our own nations as we would like to and let others do the same.

Both the Westminster attacker and Shoe bomber had a white British mother.

Guess you better lock up your daughters' in case they procreate with men of a darker skin tone.....

[scooterscot]

Maybe there should be a change in the law to change the statues of immigrant families and their children.

Brexit law is already sending British born of Polish descent packing.

I suggest not starting wars in countries we've no business as being more effective.

[oscarose]

i suggest not starting wars in countries we've no business as being more effective.

+1

wsss

[Paddy]

Both the Westminster attacker and Shoe bomber had a white British mother.

Guess you better lock up your daughters' in case they procreate with men of a darker skin tone.....

Not quite a typically English background though....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid

Reid was born in Bromley, Kent,[2] to Lesley Hughes, who was of white English descent, and Colvin Robin Reid, a man of mixed race whose father was a Jamaican immigrant.[3] When Reid was born, his father, a career criminal, was in prison for stealing a car.[3] Reid left school at age 16, becoming a petty crook who was in and out of jail, the first time for mugging an elderly person.[3] He began writing graffiti under the name "Enrol with FRF crew",[4][5] and ultimately accumulated more than 10 convictions for crimes against persons and property.[6] He served sentences at the Feltham Young Offenders Institution[7] and at the Blundeston Prison.[8]

His father advised him to convert to Islam, telling him that Muslims were more egalitarian and they got better food in prison. The next time Reid was incarcerated (in 1995 for petty theft), he converted.[3][9][10]

Islamic radicalisation[edit]
Upon his release from prison in 1996,[8] he joined the Brixton Mosque.[9][11] He later began attending the Finsbury Park Mosque in North London headed at that time by the anti-American cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and described as "the heart of the extremist Islamic culture" in Britain.[3][9] By 1998 Reid was voicing extremist views,[3] and may have fallen under the sway of "terrorist talent spotters and handlers" allied with Al Qaeda.[9]

He spent 1999 and 2000 in Pakistan and trained at a terrorist camp in Afghanistan, according to several informants.[3] He may also have attended an anti-American religious training centre in Lahore as a follower of Mubarak Ali Gilani.[12]

After his return to Britain, Reid worked to obtain duplicate passports from British government consulates abroad. He lived and travelled in several places in Europe, communicating via an address in Peshawar, Pakistan,[3] in July 2001, Reid flew to Israel.[9]

[Mordac]

Brexit law is already sending British born of Polish descent packing.

I suggest not starting wars in countries we've no business as being more effective.

Perhaps not bailing out before the job is properly finished might be more effective?

[SueEllen]

Not quite a typically English background though....

You have nicely pointed out prison is a problem though the point I was making was different.

[tomtomagain]

Brexit law is already sending British born of Polish descent packing.

I suggest not starting wars in countries we've no business as being more effective.

Unless you can invent a time-machine we are, where we are.

[the_rangdo]

Manchester benefit concert today should now be a prime target for terrorists, I wouldn't send my children there

Was there on 22-May, will be there tonight with my daughter.

IMHO attacks become more likely once time has passed and guard has dropped. Of course, there's no rule book so what do I know but I'm not going to hide under a rock with my fingers crossed.