Manchester bomber's mother reported him and police did nothing

[woohoo]

I'm the one who asked you twice what "integrate" meant. NWP2C picked up on it because you refused to answer me.

The fact you refuse to answer me says to me you have an issue with people from the Muslim faith regardless of whether they have integrated or not.

You have made a false assumption, without any evidence. You are trying to score a point by saying I have issues with Muslims. Based on my comment that Muslim communities have a responsibility to integrate.

I said in the other comment I'm not going to define integration because it's a basic concept. If you struggle with how communities integrate with each other and the wider world then I can't help you.

[Paddy]

The Eastern Roman empire could have stopped Islam in its tracks in the 600s, but they didn't bother as they were under the mistaken impression it was just another variant of Christianity (which were popping up all over the place at the time in the Middle East and North Africa).

Talk about dropping a bollock

Notwithstanding that Great Britain fought alongside the Ottoman Muslims against the Easter Orthodox Church at Constantinople

[NotAllThere]

The Eastern Roman empire could have stopped Islam in its tracks in the 600s, but they didn't bother as they were under the mistaken impression it was just another variant of Christianity (which were popping up all over the place at the time in the Middle East and North Africa).

Talk about dropping a bollock

I remember reading a theory years ago, that Islam grew from an attempt by the Church to convert the heathen Arabs.

[OwlHoot]

Quite sickening how vile some views are on here.....

None of the "views" I've seen here are anything like as vile as what many thoroughly fed up non-Muslim people in the UK and elsewhere in Europe are doubtless wishing and even plotting.

We can't just keep burying our head in the sand for ever, and hoping the terrorists will go away, which appears to be the official policy and the only acceptable option to bleeding heart liberals.

Apart from anything else, if incidents like this continue, one of these days they could directly impact tens of thousands, with a dirty bomb or bioweapon for example, instead of (tragic as it was) a couple of dozen.

Also, thinking about it, I'm not sure a Frankpledge policy I suggested in an earlier post would be practical these days unless the pill was sugared somehow, because it would :

* tend to create an "us and them" situation, assuming non-muslims were not obliged to participate, which is not ideal socially and is contrary to the principle that the same law should apply to all

* give imams, or whoever was the modern equivalent of the tithing-man, more authority in a way thus encouraging Muslims to believe they were policing themselves and would be more entitled to live in the UK under their own Sharia law

* be hard to argue that tithe members could keep an eye on each other and be mutually accountable, because travel and mobility is so much greater these days, and dwellings more private so who knows what may be going on behind closed doors?

But at least I was trying to think of a practical and effective (but acceptable) solution, instead of just wringing my hands and uttering the usual pieties.

[oscarose]

I'm saying kick some out.

Unless I'm mistaken somewhere, the most recent bomber was born in the UK.

Where are you planning to send them?

[OwlHoot]

... there are hundreds of returnees from Syria who are going scot free & I thought they'd already committed an offence just by virtue of the fact that they'd been to Syria.

These people definitely need to be swept up - it's crazy having them at large; they've been brutalised and God knows what they're capable of.

But don't forget a few of those will be MI6 agents, perhaps even more than a few, and the last thing we'd want is to "sweep up" all the genuine bad guys except them or their cover is blown.

The information they can glean, both in war zones and back in the UK, must be a big asset in our intelligence-related dealings with the US, and in the end that trumps (if you'll pardon the word) everything!

[northernladyuk]

Also, thinking about it, I'm not sure a Frankpledge policy I suggested in an earlier post would be practical these days unless the pill was sugared somehow, because it would :

* tend to create an "us and them" situation, assuming non-muslims were not obliged to participate, which is not ideal socially and is contrary to the principle that the same law should apply to all

* give imams, or whoever was the modern equivalent of the tithing-man, more authority in a way thus encouraging Muslims to believe they were policing themselves and would be more entitled to live in the UK under their own Sharia law

* be hard to argue that tithe members could keep an eye on each other and be mutually accountable, because travel and mobility is so much greater these days, and dwellings more private so who knows what may be going on behind closed doors?

But at least I was trying to think of a practical and effective (but acceptable) solution, instead of just wringing my hands and uttering the usual pieties.

Blimey. Are you OK?

[diseasex]

Unless I'm mistaken somewhere, the most recent bomber was born in the UK.

Where are you planning to send them?

I said before. Give them camel and to desert. Strip them out of citizenship first.

[northernladyuk]

I said before. Give them camel and to desert. Strip them out of citizenship first.

Are you talking only about people with dual citizenship or are you also talking about people who only have British citizenship? Sorry if this has been covered before - may have missed parts of this thread.

[stek]

Unless I'm mistaken somewhere, the most recent bomber was born in the UK.

Where are you planning to send them?

Waiting for the response, dog born in a stable doesn't make it a horse from deceasedex