Reply to: Manchester bomber's mother reported him and police did nothing

[original PM]

Yep but you can take his point, right? If you don't bother to integrate, to go to the pub (even if you drink a soft drink) then how can you mix. Men rarely mix at coffee shops unless it's business.

Point is integration allows people to see other points of view (two way street, i know).

I agree however at times integration actually becomes assimilation in that the smaller culture ultimately becomes subsumed by the larger culture - some features of the smaller culture will be retained but maybe in a watered down form.

So if you do not integrate then your culture will not be 'tainted' by the larger culture.

My problem with this is that if you do not like our culture then fu<k off

The British Isles has been settled for over 30,000 years by many different people (some peacefully, some not so peacefully) and during that time the culture and identity of the British Isles has been changed for the better for the majority of the people by each wave of peoples adding their own uniqueness to the culture.

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There's bound to be a few at the EDL rallies you go to.

Alas no. They don't like foreigners like me.

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You know those places called coffee shops and cafes? You can actually go to drink beverages in there and talk to people.

Oh and not all Muslim women are the same but you know that right?

Of course.

[SueEllen]

WTF is a werido? Some sort of bearded hipster metropolitan elitist?

My autocorrect isn't working.

Last time I saw a hipster I wanted to shout out to him you are near a hill get a ******* bike with years but controlled mysf.

[shaunbhoy]

Guess all the men - mostly young men - I see in coffee shops in London and other cities in the UK are weridos.

WTF is a werido? Some sort of bearded hipster metropolitan elitist?

[SueEllen]

Yep but you can take his point, right? If you don't bother to integrate, to go to the pub (even if you drink a soft drink) then how can you mix. Men rarely mix at coffee shops unless it's business.

Point is integration allows people to see other points of view (two way street, i know).

Guess all the men - mostly young men - I see in coffee shops in London and other cities in the UK are weridos.

Btw I've drunk in pubs with practising and non-practising Muslims. The former tend to want drinks from cans or bottles even when you point out the glasses are now washed in a dishwasher.

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You know those places called coffee shops and cafes? You can actually go to drink beverages in there and talk to people.

Oh and not all Muslim women are the same but you know that right?

Yep but you can take his point, right? If you don't bother to integrate, to go to the pub (even if you drink a soft drink) then how can you mix. Men rarely mix at coffee shops unless it's business.

Point is integration allows people to see other points of view (two way street, i know).

[woohoo]

These idiots are no more a 'Muslim' problem any more than the IRA or Kosovo was a 'Christian' problem. These idiots committing these crimes think they are doing it on behalf of their religion, but the majority in their religion do not agree with what they are doing.

The leaders of these extremist sects want 'us' to hate 'them' and create segregation - this to them is victory as they can get more followers and this means they start to get the power they crave.

I understand what you are saying. But if we want to stop young men (it's mostly young men) feeling marginalized and not part of society, then you need integration. You want them to feel like they can be part of the wider society, that's not going to happen if backward beliefs about women etc are reinforced by an insular community.

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But how can they integrate if you cannot have a drink with them, or go out for a meal, or ask them out on a date? That's a common problem with all "highly religious" people. They never go out with "others" for an innocent drink and banter, and they are always dead serious about everything. They get offended by the things others don't even notice.

It's hard to begin dialogue if you cannot even meet them in a pub and they expect women to shut the **** up and stay home. Western societies are open and welcoming, but you have to make an effort as a guest. And if they think they can jump over hoops and integrate within one generation, they need to be realistic. It takes time and effort.

There's bound to be a few at the EDL rallies you go to.

[SueEllen]

But how can they integrate if you cannot have a drink with them, or go out for a meal, or ask them out on a date? That's a common problem with all "highly religious" people. They never go out with "others" for an innocent drink and banter, and they are always dead serious about everything. They get offended by the things others don't even notice.

It's hard to begin dialogue if you cannot even meet them in a pub and they expect women to shut the **** up and stay home. Western societies are open and welcoming, but you have to make an effort as a guest. And if they think they can jump over hoops and integrate within one generation, they need to be realistic. It takes time and effort.

You know those places called coffee shops and cafes? You can actually go to drink beverages in there and talk to people.

Oh and not all Muslim women are the same but you know that right?

[original PM]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...terror-attack/

[BrilloPad]

I think that MF is dangerous and I have reported him to the filth. Sadly they say that nothing can be done unless he actually does something.

It seems ridiculous to me that we cannot all just call in the police to anyone we dislike and get them arrested and beaten with hosepipes.

What is this country coming to?

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[original PM]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...islamic-state/

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I'm quite happy to accept that people believe in fairy tales.

I said that Muslim communities in this country have a responsibility to integrate. If they feel marginalized then they need to make efforts to integrate.

But how can they integrate if you cannot have a drink with them, or go out for a meal, or ask them out on a date? That's a common problem with all "highly religious" people. They never go out with "others" for an innocent drink and banter, and they are always dead serious about everything. They get offended by the things others don't even notice.

It's hard to begin dialogue if you cannot even meet them in a pub and they expect women to shut the **** up and stay home. Western societies are open and welcoming, but you have to make an effort as a guest. And if they think they can jump over hoops and integrate within one generation, they need to be realistic. It takes time and effort.