Explosion in Manchester

[diseasex]

Now you are showing you are thick and a bigot.

You are joking right?

[SueEllen]

You are joking right?

No I'm not joking.

Just because someone is from North Africa doesn't mean they use camels. That is a racial stereotype and using such stereotypes makes you a bigot.

Also the guy was a British citizen. Unless he commits certain crimes AND has dual nationality he cannot be stripped of his British nationality.

[pr1]

Showing you are also thick. The UK isn't allowed to put people in a POW camp. However we do have ways of dealing with criminals who commit acts of terrorism or hate.

If before he blew himself up all he'd done is put a flag up and gone on some trips abroad (which although very suspicious are not illegal) - how do you "deal with" that?

[diseasex]

Also the guy was a British citizen. Unless he commits certain crimes AND has dual nationality he cannot be stripped of his British nationality.

Maybe he should be!

[woohoo]

No I'm not joking.

Just because someone is from North Africa doesn't mean they use camels. That is a racial stereotype and using such stereotypes makes you a bigot.

Also the guy was a British citizen. Unless he commits certain crimes AND has dual nationality he cannot be stripped of his British nationality.

I don't think it makes him a bigot, be less sensitive.

So, if we are at war then he would be a traitor?

[northernladyuk]

If before he blew himself up all he'd done is put a flag up and gone on some trips abroad (which although very suspicious are not illegal) - how do you "deal with" that?

Putting an ISIS flag up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrori...t_1_-_Offences

Encouragement of terrorism (section 1): Prohibits the publishing of "a statement that is likely to be understood by some or all of the members of the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences." Indirect encouragement statements include every statement which glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the future or generally) of such acts or offences; and is a statement from which those members of the public could reasonably be expected to infer that what is being glorified is being glorified as conduct that should be emulated by them in existing circumstances."[3] In England and Wales, a person guilty of this offence is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years, or to a fine, or to both, or, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both. In Scotland and Northern Ireland, a person guilty of this offence is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years, or to a fine, or to both, or, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both.

[SueEllen]

I don't think it makes him a bigot, be less sensitive.

The poster posting this stuff admits he's an immigrant.

So, if we are at war then he would be a traitor?

It isn't a conventional war so we don't have the same rules governing it. Anyway it is also an excuse for the government to increase surveillance on all of us when in fact they have sufficient laws to keep tabs on people like him but don't have the money and resources to do so.

[northernladyuk]

2 types of people

Those who want to bury their head in the sand and say there is no problem and those that recognise there is.

I didn't say there is no problem. I said that your proposed solution of treating a criminal act as a non-criminal act (i.e. treating the criminal as a POW) was flawed. But keep flailing around and you might get somewhere.

[diseasex]

The poster posting this stuff admits he's an immigrant.


It isn't a conventional war so we don't have the same rules governing it. Anyway it is also an excuse for the government to increase surveillance on all of us when in fact they have sufficient laws to keep tabs on people like him but don't have the money and resources to do so.

They should increase surveillance on muslims only. And stip them out of citizenship if they don't comply with laws and are involved in terrorism. Also their families so it's extra incentive not to go down this road. Anything less is letting them do this.

I'm all after proper steps to decrease terrorism even if they are not necessarily politically correct.

[PurpleGorilla]

Explosion in Manchester

It's incredibly complex, but we seem fixated on mitigating the impact rather than addressing the root causes.

My firm belief is that the only hope of ending this is through attaining peace in all the messed up places these extremists are magnetised towards. Boots on the ground, humanitarian aid, under a UN flag. Then investment and building for a positive future.

Israel (yes Israel), Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Oman, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria...

We have to invest in these places to improve the quality of their lives and reduce the hate and increase the hope.

Peace and reconciliation.